[pagan-magik] Re: , list isues
nina
nina at aktivix.org
Tue Nov 16 18:19:20 GMT 2004
hello all. sorry for another long email, but please read if you can.
i would sort out the mechanism and security of the list (as far as i
know how to do that) if i only knew what it means "as long as everyone's
concerns are met"... i am kinda waiting for some sort of
discussion/decision making to occur with regard to the three main points
that need sorting out and which i raised in my last mail..
so far there has not at all been agreement on how to set up subscription
and archives..
again, at the moment anyone can subscribe, and our archives are public.
1. i think subscription might usefully be moderated (i.e. that if
someone wants to subscribe they are asked to wait until a moderator
approves), but that means that there really have to be a few people who
will regularly check the admin pages for pending subscription requests
(probably moderators will be notified by email when a request arrives,
but we cannot be sure?). this is different from just anyone being
administrator for symbolic/structural reasons. some people have to *take
on* that responsibility.
relatedly, we will at some point have to discuss which criteria have to
be met by future list-members (do they have to be known, do they have to
explain what they want etc?)
2. i believe the archives should remain public. ian's point that people
who are interested in subscribing might want to check out what kind of
discussion goes on is an important one, another one is freedom of
information.
what arguments are there in favour of having private archives?
3. who wants to take on administrator/moderator roles? apart from steve,
nobody has so far asked me for the password to check out the admin
pages, so i assume not THAT many people are interested in it after all?
i'd actually prefer to NOT have any admin role, but can remain a support
if not many others are interested.
regarding giving people a run down. i had no run down. i got a password,
i logged in, i checked out the pages. it's all pretty straightforward
apart from some terminology that i don't get either. the pages are like
a set of forms with boxes to tick. so they give you the option: archives
private or public? and then you tick. if you don't understand some of
the options, there is an explanatory link for all (or at least most) of
them.
PLEASE those of you who'd be happy to play geeks, let me know and i send
you the password and you can check the site out and you can enter your
name in the box for administrators on the first page ('general options'i
think the page called), if you like.
and the rest, please make your opinions known on the subscription and
archive issues.
cheers
nina
steve ash wrote:
> Nina, I'm more than happy to let you sort out the
> mechanism and security of the list, as long as
> everyone's concerns are met. I guess it would be
> better if there were different admin accounts to
> prevent someone getting the single password and
> changing it (not at all likely but possible in
> theory). I think some of us would appreciate it if you
> could give us a rundown on how the list and archive
> works as well. :)
>
> Steve
>
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>>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:16:11 +0000
>>From: nina <nina at aktivix.org>
>>Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] admin
>>To: pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
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>>i believe it IS possible to have several
>>administrators named rather
>>than just through password sharing - i'm not sure
>>what the difference
>>means in practice, but think it has something to do
>>with everybody who's
>>named then also being on the aktivix-admin-list...
>>
>>cheers
>>nina
>>
>>
>>
>>steve ash wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to me the most 'power sharing' solution
>>>would be to allow access to the administrator
>>
>>account
>>
>>>to as many people as want it, by sharing the
>>
>>password.
>>
>>>On my yahoo groups (apart from I.I. which I didn't
>>>create) I tend to make everyone a moderator but it
>>>doesn't seem we can do this here (which is a bit
>>>worrying in terms of the mindsets of the designers
>>
>>of
>>
>>>the software) but we can get round this by
>>
>>password
>>
>>>sharing.
>>>
>>>For me its more a matter of egalitarian principle
>>>and symbolism, and I may never log in if I have
>>
>>the
>>
>>>password (though I might, especially to let my
>>
>>friends
>>
>>>subscribe if we go less public). But I make my
>>
>>request
>>
>>>for the password now :) (I suggest if others want
>>
>>this
>>
>>>'status' they should similarly request it).
>>>
>>>Personally re the openness of the group I've
>>
>>always
>>
>>>prefered to be part of egalitarian but semi-closed
>>>groups, as I prefer affinity groups of friends to
>>>masses of strangers, and like the trust of it
>>
>>being
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>>>free of cops, and so would prefer moderation of
>>
>>those
>>
>>>who join (as a role open to everyone), and that it
>>
>>be
>>
>>>limited to people one of us knows or has met in
>>
>>the
>>
>>>real world, rather than web surfers, but its not a
>>
>>big
>>
>>>issue for me and will go with the majority on this
>>>one. As long as I achieve my dreams of absolute
>>
>>power
>>
>>>over you all as super administrator :)
>>>
>>>As for practicalities, I have total trust in Nina
>>
>>now,
>>
>>>so am happy with you as 'primary admin' N, though
>>
>>if
>>
>>>we go less public, with moderation of subscription
>>>needed, the extra admin staff might be much needed
>>>support, and necessary to vouch for people. And I
>>>never really thought you was a
>>>'fascist' N ;)
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:19:41 +0000 (GMT)
>>From: sara <smulryanuk at yahoo.co.uk>
>>Subject: [pagan-magik] (no subject)
>>To: pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
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>>I've just heard that the Festival Hall is already
>>boarded up. So shall we meet at the National film
>>theatre cafe instead, also on the south bank in
>>London?7.00. Mon.22nd.Nov.
>>So far only 4 people have said they can definitely
>>come....I know it's hard to find a time good for
>>everyone...but anyhow let's go with it......
>>
>>Jocelyn, I'll see you there
>>Sara x
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>>Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:27:23 +0000
>>From: "Mr. Spock" <spock at canopus22.demon.co.uk>
>>Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] squatted social centre on
>>Tufnell Pk rd
>>To: "Mr. Spock" <spock at canopus22.demon.co.uk>
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>>On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 11:11:30AM +0000, Adrian
>>Harris wrote:
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>>>just an update on a new social centre in London.
>>
>>Phoenix and others at
>>
>>>St.Georges squatted social centre on Tufnell Pk rd
>>
>>(london), invite folk to
>>
>>>come on down and get involved in ongoing projects
>>
>>there. In the week are
>>
>>>various workshops based around "other worlds are
>>
>>possible",on fridays there
>>
>>>are cabaret nights and saturday nights are party
>>
>>nights with live music,
>>
>>>djs and whatever we want to co-create between
>>
>>us... It really is an
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