[pagan-magik] speaking out

[Steve (Dionysian Underground)]

I wasn't directing that at anyone in the PMA, as I
don't consider anyone of you I've met 'activists' in
the negative sense I was using it in. But rather was
suggesting that we all have to work with people we
don't like sometimes (re Sara's attack on the people
at St George's), just as we did with the leftist
'crypto-facists' of the ESF, and may have to with the
shadowy commissars running the anti G8 movement. :) 

 --- sacha meaton <sushi at choonz.com> wrote: 
> Steve I wish you well, but I am completely stumped
> by your motivation 
> for writing this kind of thing:
> 
> Steve (Dionysian Underground) wrote:
> 
> >Trouble is I feel more at home with
> >counterculturalists as 'activists' tend to give me
> the
> >creeps! :) Plus, I think we should support all
> >independent 'peoples' movements, as opposed to anti
> G8
> >movements, probably run by a bunch of leftists in
> >secret meetings ;)
> >
> whether you are just bored & wanting to incite some
> kind of argument or 
> what, i don't know...
> however i really want to say i am getting impatient
> with your continual 
> dissing of just about everything on this mail group-
> 
> If you dont identify with being an activist then
> what are you doing on 
> this pagan magickal *activist *mail group?
>  
> I really support cultural hybridity and diversity,
> and i have a real 
> problem when diversity gets marginalised so that
> only the voice of the 
> mainstream speaks loud.
> Which is part of my motivation for joining this
> group- empowering 
> resistance to a world dominated and abused by the
> few in power. Steve 
> your passion for magick and radical social change
> can be really 
> inspiring. I know you have this spirit of resistance
> in mind, but some 
> of your attacks (intentionally or not) come off as
> really authoritarian 
> and may be having the very affect of silencing many/
> Other/ voices on 
> this mail group.
> 
> I find your negativity & agression towards a lot of
> things being 
> discussed really discouraging, and is particularly
> off-putting for new 
> members. What i joined this group for was to share &
> hear a multiplicity 
> of different voices, discussing different ideas,
> rituals & actions, NOT 
> just criticisms of the world coming from a tone of
> male authoritarian 
> judgement. Nor do i really want to engage in online
> debates getting 
> embroiled in 'rational' arguments, to me this is the
> realm of  political 
> oppression. I do however want to speak up (and
> hopefully encourage 
> others sitting in silence) to give voice to all
> kinds of views with out 
> the fear of being shouted down by authoritative
> judgements....
> 
> And Steve i have to say, what you wrote really
> depresses me because i 
> personally believe the G8 is something PMA should
> really be preparing 
> for actively and magickally (although of course not
> everyone will be 
> fully into it & thats fine) but with the dissent
> meeting that was on 
> yesterday we could have actively been promoting it
> on this Magickal 
> ACTIVIST group instead of sending out emails
> discouraging activism. I 
> think saying activist meetings are held by 'a bunch
> of leftists in 
> secret' is just such bullshit Steve- yesterdays anti
> G8 meeting was 
> *open to the public and not at all in secret*- why
> you feel the need for 
> making such harsh judgements alludes me....
> 
> i dont like having to post this kind of email, but i
> really felt i 
> needed to speak up
> 
> calling out for the powers of transformation
> 
> Sacha
>  

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