[pagan-magik] Pro G8

Sat Jan 8 17:32:41 GMT 2005

Hi everyone,
I really like the Leeds May day article Ian. Yeh...It
is all about process and exploring different ways of
organising and living and being and connecting and
playing and loving.. Yet that tiresome old paradigm
keeps turning up...like you put it Steve the old -us
good anti-capitalists against 'them'. Even the whole
idea of having a list that only some people can join I
find too much in the old way. To me it feels
hierarchical, with the included 'above'the excluded.

And face to face stuff is just as important which is
why i suggested meeting on the 31st. I f you are
reading this Nina- I personally just accept anyone who
wants to join. If our magick is really working, only
those who are meant to connect will join. i FIND THIS
TRUE OF MOST GROUPS. Of course secret actions are
another matter.

Also like the idea of bringing stones to form a cairn.

I too have been wondering about the G8 and how best to
work magickally and who to connect up with. Hope to
see some of you on the 31st.to talk about all this
stuff.I agree with Adrian that INTENT is central...
Love and power,
Jocelyn.
--- Ian Gregory <ianji at zenatode.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:12:59AM +0000, Adrian
> Harris wrote:
>  
> > The importnat issue is our intent in enagaging
> with the G8 conference. If
> > we simply want to disrupt it, whatever it plans to
> do, we *might* be
> > missing a trick. I'm currently more inclined to
> try and influence it, both
> > magically and on a 'mundane' level.
> > 
> > This is a discussion those going need to have to
> make sure we all know how
> > and why we are involved.
> 
> Good point Adrian. I have been thinking about this
> for a while.
> 
> The first thing I would say is that previous
> demonstrations have
> had an effect. Since Seattle these big international
> gatherings
> (G8, EU, WTO, IMF etc) have clearly gone on the
> defensive. On the
> one hand they have had to find more secure venues
> (Sea Island for
> example, and now Glen Eagles). On the other hand,
> the organisers
> now seem to be going out of their way to emphasise
> the positive
> aspects in order to disarm critics. To a large
> extent this is just a
> PR excercise but, then again, Tony Blair *is*
> emphasising climate
> change and Africa in the run up to this year's
> summit which I guess
> is a good thing. Then there is the launch of the "J8
> Change the
> World" schools initiative
> (www.j8changetheworld.com):
> 
> > J8 is the first global citizenship initiative of
> its kind to be
> > launched in secondary schools across the UK. It
> gives young people
> > the chance to address the most important issues
> facing our world
> > and to put citizenship into practice.
> 
> So basically, demonstrations in the past have had
> some sort of
> beneficial effect (at least put the G8 on the
> defensive)  but I
> think we need to keep up the pressure.
> 
> As long as people are talking, thinking, planning
> etc and are ready
> to take responibility and take action I don't really
> care what it
> is they do. There might be people planning to use
> force to attempt
> to blockade the Summit - if that is what they think
> is required then
> good on them, but there are numerous other avenues
> to persue which
> might be more beneficial.
> 
> Two very important things to keep in mind:
> 
> 1) Media attention - this is a great opportunity to
> get your point
>    across to a global audience.
> 
> 2) Collective action - when activists get together
> on this scale to
>    do something there is an amazing sense of
> empowerment, people
>    learn from each other and form new relationships,
> networks etc.
> 
> Bearing all this in mind I decided some time ago to
> work towards
> organising a bicycle ride from London up to the
> summit. This now
> looks pretty certain to happen, but I will just be
> concentrating
> on getting the ride from London to Glasgow and I
> don't know what
> I want to do when I get there. In a sense the
> journey is more
> important than the destination. A diverse group of
> people will be
> spending about 2 weeks together cycling, camping,
> cooking, networking
> with people in towns along the way, having fun,
> dreaming, planning
> etc. Someone wants to make a film of the journey. By
> the time we
> get to Glasgow I am confident that we will have come
> up with some
> interesting plans, and the great thing is that we
> won't have to use
> email lists etc to do so - it is so much easier when
> you are all
> together sitting round the campfire together!
> 
> If you have a couple of minutes to spare I would
> recommend reading
> a short statement by the Leeds May Day Group called
> SUMMITS and
> PLATEAUS:
> 
>
http://www.nadir.org.uk/LMDGindex_files/Summits_and_Plateaus.html
> 
> And if you are interested in the G8 Bike Ride then
> see:
> 
> http:/www.g8bikeride.org.uk/
> 
> OK, I think I have waffled on for long enough, I
> look forward to
> some interesting discussions when we meet.
> 
> Livity,
> Ian
> 
> -- 
> Ian Gregory
> http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/
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