[pagan-magik] evol request probs
steve ash
steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Jan 13 03:44:41 GMT 2005
Seems that previous message is redundant as the link
has already been posted by Ian.
It seems the issue is that LARC regarded them as
potential 'agent provocateurs'? And the allegations do
read that way. I think evol is Asim by the way, a
person I've exchanged interesting emails with before
but never met. His friend Fabian is a friend of a
friend of mine, the latter I trust more than anyone
else in the movement, and they say positive things
about him, though the LARC report is of concern. I
know the 'fascistic' Green Anarchist group has dissed
him, though they have also smeared former members of
the LAF with stuff I know for a fact is false. LARC is
usually more reliable though. These two have been
described as 'provocative' and 'hot headed' by others
I trust, which would explain some of the allegations.
And I can respect that more than people who want to
keep NGO's and Trade Unions happy by being nice
liberals (both being part of the 'enemy's' system for
me).
My inclination is to let evol in, after all what can
he do, we arent going to give anyone authority or
allow them to act as spokespeople, and if anyone
suggests something against the consensus they just get
ignored right? So I'm not sure what damage could be
done. This is another good reason for us being a
network of individuals and autonomous groups rather
than a collective, no?
Given the allegations I wouldn't feel safe with such a
person as a moderator though! Until proven kosher.
I've emailed evol informing him that I'm willing to
take him at face value, but that the issue will need
to be discussed on the list. If people want to cc
these postings to him feel free (I haven't).
Steve
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> 1. Re: request for membership reply from evol
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:41 +0000
> From: Ian Gregory <ianji at zenatode.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] request for membership
> reply from evol
> To: pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 01:20:07AM +0000, steve ash
> wrote:
> > > What are you seeking from your membership?
> >
> > i have recently been expelled along with a fellow
> majiko marxist
> > comrade from working at the Anti-Systemic Library
> at London
> > Action Resource Centre (which we helped set up and
> run for 1.5
> > years) in Whitechapel at a secretly arranged witch
> trial they
> > held in December (although they did stop short of
> directly
> > accusing us of witch-craft)
>
> There are two sides to every story. The only recent
> expulsion
> from LARC that I am aware of was of Fabian and Asim,
> and according
> to LARC it was with good reason, as documented in
> their "Statement
> following LARC Annual General Meeting, 2.12.04" as
> posted here:
>
>
http://www.ourmayday.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?London_Action_Resource_Centre
>
> There is also a "talk" page for discussion of the
> statement:
>
>
http://www.ourmayday.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?London_Action_Resource_Centre/Talk
>
> This expulsion has already caused sigificant
> "collateral damage"
> within the activist movement and whilst I do not
> want to make
> any judgements, if the individual who is requesting
> membership
> of pagan-magik under the name "evol" is indeed
> either Fabian or
> Asim then I think it is as well to at least be aware
> of the
> serious allegations that have been made against them
> by LARC.
>
> --
> Ian Gregory
> http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:24 +0000
> From: Ian Gregory <ianji at zenatode.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] Fwd: FW: Kyoto Climate
> March, Saturday 12th
> Feb
> To: pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
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> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:57:04AM -0800, Jocelyn
> Chaplin wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone, Thought this could be something else
> we
> > get involved with.
> >
> > KYOTO CLIMATE MARCH
> > Saturday Feb 12th
>
> Yes, this is something that has been in my diary for
> a while.
> Phil (who basically organises these things through a
> group
> called Campaign against Climate Change) is sound and
> has put
> a lot of effort into it. In previous years this has
> been a
> "Long March" - 20 miles from Exxon HQ in Leatherhead
> and I
> have done it twice. Here is my report from last
> year:
>
> http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/reports/kyoto.html
>
> On the other hand, I believe that Venus Kamura will
> be doing
> a "Reclaim Love" event at the Eros statue on the
> same day, which
> would also perhaps be of interest to members of this
> list.
>
> Livity,
> Ian
>
> --
> Ian Gregory
> http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:47:41 GMT
> From: Ian <ian.stardust at ukgateway.net>
> Subject: [pagan-magik] The Other, Man-made Tsunami
> To: pagan-magik at lists.aktivix.org
> Message-ID: <20050111.24551 at mail.2.25>
>
> January 07, 2005
>
> The Other, Man-made Tsunami
>
> By John Pilger
>
> The west's crusaders, the United States and Britain,
> are giving less to help
> the tsunami victims than the cost of a Stealth
> bomber or a week's bloody
> occupation of Iraq. The bill for George Bush's
> coming inauguration party would
> rebuild much of the coastline of Sri Lanka.
>
> Bush and Blair increased their first driblets of
> "aid" only when it became
> clear that people all over the world were
> spontaneously giving millions and a
> public relations problem beckoned. The Blair
> government's current "generous"
> contribution is one sixteenth of the ¶œ800m it spent
> bombing Iraq before the
> invasion and barely one twentieth of a billion pound
> gift, known as a "soft
> loan", to the Indonesian military so that it could
> acquire Hawk
> fighter-bombers.
>
> On 24 November, one month before the tsunami struck,
> the Blair government gave
> its backing to an arms fair in Jakarta, "designed to
> meet an urgent need for
> the [Indonesian] armed forces to review its defense
> capabilities," reported the
> Jakarta Post. The Indonesian military, responsible
> for genocide in East Timor,
> has killed more than 20,000 civilians and
> "insurgents" in Aceh. Among the
> exhibitors at the arms fair was Rolls Royce,
> manufacturer of engines for the
> Hawks, which, along with British-supplied Scorpion
> armoured vehicles, machine
> guns and ammunition, were terrorizing and killing
> people
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