<DIV>Am I missing something here? We seem to be having a debate about whether or not we are 'anti-war'. My 'bit' of the anti-war movement (Nether Edge Against War) IS anti-war. I can guarantee that. Its sort of built into the title, really. If people think that war is a solution, then they are unlikely to associate themselves with a group of that name. (In my opinion.)</DIV>
<DIV>I also recall one to two million people demonstrating against (the) war on February 15th a couple of years ago. And I recall Lindsey Germain, speaking for the Stop the War Coalition, on the platform, saying, 'War Is No Solution'. I may move in rarified circles but I cannot think of anybody I know who thinks war is a solution. Some of the kids at my special school did think that. Until we discussed it, at great length, over dinner day after day. Then they changed their minds.</DIV>
<DIV>But we aren't talking about them. We seem to be having a discussion within the anti-war movement, as to whether or not we are opposed to war.</DIV>
<DIV>Strange.</DIV>
<DIV>Who is trying to convince whom of what?</DIV>
<DIV>Ian<BR><BR><B><I>2 % Human <adam@diamat.org.uk></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>Hi,<BR><BR>(Motion to go to Council 01/12/04)<BR><BR>> cuthbert says: <BR>> "All a resolution can do is spell out how hypocritical the libdems and labour are or it can be anti-american by saying something about the humanitarian situation in fallujah."<BR>> <BR>> John:<BR>> I agree with that, except that something said about the humanitarian situation in fallujah, has little to do with being anti-American or not.<BR><BR>I agree that the motion has nothing to do with being anti-american. It <BR>has nothing really to do with being anti-labour / tory / lib dem either <BR>although I can understand how this could be construed from my childish <BR>angry out-burst on the fallujah list on saturday, viz:<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/project-fallujah/2004-November/000045.html, <BR>for which I apologise. ( The more I read / see about Fallujah; the more <BR>difficult it
is to remain composed ).<BR><BR>> [ John to Cuthbert ] I could go on arguing about this [ pacifism ] but there's no point in arguing with people who are blinded by the culture of violence ...<BR><BR>I think there's every point John, and I, for one, am glad that you do.<BR><BR>> ... so much that they think that war is natural and so think that a punctuation between wars is peace.<BR><BR>The film *Truce* based on Primo Levi's [1] book of the same name brought <BR>this point home for me.<BR><BR>> Wars are NOT inevitable but they have a cause, and as you know, these are often deliberately set up ...<BR><BR>Wars are man-made.<BR><BR>> ... so falling into the trap of using violence is exactly what they want us to do, to continue having their wars. <BR><BR>I think we should argue for peace always.<BR><BR>--<BR>2 %<BR><BR>[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primo_Levi<BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
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