<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><br>hey there,<br><br>i agree with all the comments, i forgot to mention that they didnt stage it as a kids play so it will definitely needs to be looked at it again <br><br>here is a link to the original version:<br><br>http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0122e.html<br><br>see you at the next meeting,<br>e<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/20/09, FEMINISTCHILDREARING@riseup.net <i><FEMINISTCHILDREARING@riseup.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: FEMINISTCHILDREARING@riseup.net <FEMINISTCHILDREARING@riseup.net><br>Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff<br>To: radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org<br>Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:52 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">that message was from gemma btw (sorry forgot this is a shared email)<br><br>>
hey, hope caic goes well, and also sorry but i cant come to meeting monday<br>> btw.<br>><br>> i agree with gail- think its a great idea/basis to start from with the<br>> billygoats gruff (so thanks to your mate, emel), but reckon if we all put<br>> our heads together we can subvert the story in a much more educational<br>> way: definately the 'hitler' bit and the 'suicide bomber' bit needs work.<br>> i'd even say that they are irrelevant to the immigration/no borders story,<br>> and are different issues entirely?<br>> i'll get out a copy of the story and have a read, hope to make the meeting<br>> after this one<br>> xx<br>><br>>> I think the basic idea of the play is a good one, but I am not happy<br>>> with<br>>> it being Hitler who acts as the immigration official. Lots of reasons,<br>>> but<br>>> here are some: it suggests that only truly evil fascists behave like<br>>>
this,<br>>> whereas we know that totally 'average' people get drawn into behaving<br>>> like<br>>> this; I doubt very young people will know who Hitler is, and I don't<br>>> think<br>>> this is a good way of teaching them; in the radical Jewish education<br>>> project I was part of, we had endless discussions about what age to<br>>> teach<br>>> our kids about the Holocaust, and we came to the conclusion the answer<br>>> was<br>>> 'relatively old'; it trivialises the enormity of the crimes Hitler<br>>> perpetrated.<br>>><br>>> I'm so glad this whole radical childcare project is taking off so<br>>> energetically.<br>>><br>>> All the best, Gail<br>>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>> From: emel kahraman<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk"
href="/mc/compose?to=jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk">jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk</a> ; <a ymailto="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org" href="/mc/compose?to=radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org">radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:43 PM<br>>> Subject: [Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff<br>>><br>>><br>>> hey everyone,<br>>><br>>> when jon sent the email about the campaign against immigration<br>>> gathering i remembered puppet play (an adaptation of three billy<br>>> goats gruff) a friend from norway mentioned, where goats are the<br>>> migrants and troll the immigration control and asked him if he can<br>>> send me a script of some sort to see if we can use it on saturday<br>>><br>>>
he sent the story only half an hour ago... so not much time to<br>>> get<br>>> ready for it properly, but i still think its worthwhile doing it,<br>>> so what if we try to form a kids collective who can work on it and<br>>> maybe interested adults, and stage it at another gathering, if you<br>>> are up for it maybe whoever is gonna be there spread the word on<br>>> saturday, maybe put a notice up ext<br>>><br>>><br>>> maybe the project can evolve into forming a group meeting up<br>>> regularly to discuss related topics and make stuff and then stage<br>>> it<br>>><br>>> just realized if it sounds too much of a project to advertise on<br>>> saturday and ppl would like to talk about it more in detail before<br>>> going for it thats totally fine coz i only though about
it as im<br>>> writing now<br>>><br>>> here is the summery from my friends email:<br>>><br>>><br>>> ok,<br>>><br>>> so, hitler tells the story, and says that the first forigner<br>>> smells like "tea and biscuits"<br>>> the troll asks "who is stepping on my bridge", and after the<br>>> response from the english goat says "the scent is known and the<br>>> color is dear, come in to my country and make your living here"<br>>><br>>> so the same also happens to the dutch goat which hitler says<br>>> smells like "green grass"<br>>><br>>> then the pakistani goat comes which hitler says smells like<br>>> kebab.<br>>> the goat
asks to cross the border but the troll thinks "this<br>>> smells like kebab & curry, I only want [insert norwegian<br>>> traditional dishes/stuff here]"<br>>><br>>> then they fight and it ends with the pakistani goat lifting his<br>>> wool to reveal that he's strapped with dynamite, and he blows<br>>> himself and the troll to pieces -emel here well im not sure about<br>>> blowing the poor goat, maybe the bridge and the troll :)-so that<br>>> his family busload of goats can get over the bridge.<br>>><br>>> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, <a ymailto="mailto:jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk" href="/mc/compose?to=jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk">jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk" href="/mc/compose?to=jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk">jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk" href="/mc/compose?to=jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk">jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk" href="/mc/compose?to=jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk">jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>>> Subject: [Radical_childcare] LARC update<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org" href="/mc/compose?to=radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org">radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>>> Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:58 AM<br>>><br>>><br>>> Hi everyone,<br>>><br>>>
I got the following email today from a guy at LARC so it<br>>> looks pretty positive in terms of getting a toybox there<br>>> and using some space (probably in the basement) to store<br>>> creche stuff.<br>>><br>>> Next creche is 20th June at SOAS for the Campaign<br>>> Against<br>>> Immigration Controls gathering. I'll be organising it and<br>>> any volunteers would be gratefully received! Maybe we<br>>> could use it as a chance to start to develop some<br>>> activities for kids that relate to our radical politics -<br>>> any ideas on immigration related games or activities???<br>>><br>>> Take care<br>>><br>>>
Jon<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Hi Jon,<br>>><br>>> That sounds like a great idea. I'll just run it part the<br>>> email list and<br>>> get back to you.<br>>><br>>> Cheers,<br>>><br>>> Mark<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:markb@gn.apc.org" href="/mc/compose?to=markb@gn.apc.org">markb@gn.apc.org</a><br>>><br>>> > Message:<br>>>
><br>>> > Name: Jon Waters<br>>> > Email Address: <a ymailto="mailto:jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk" href="/mc/compose?to=jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk">jonathan_waters7@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>>> > Subject: Radical Childcare Group<br>>> > Message: Hi,<br>>> ><br>>> > I'm a member of the newly formed radical childcare<br>>> group<br>>> (currently<br>>> > without a
proper name) and am writing to ask about<br>>> storage space at LARC.<br>>> > We'd really like to provide LARC with a small box of<br>>> communal toys that<br>>> > could be accessed by any groups using the space who<br>>> have<br>>> children with<br>>> > them.<br>>> ><br>>> > We's also like to use a small amount of storage space<br>>> in<br>>> the basement to<br>>> > store resources for the childcare that we provide to<br>>> various groups and<br>>>
> events. In the past members of the group have<br>>> organised<br>>> childcare for<br>>> > Feminist Fightback conferences and meetings, helped<br>>> create a kidspace on<br>>> > Raven's Ait when it was squatted during the G20 and<br>>> are<br>>> organising a<br>>> > creche later this month for a campaign Against<br>>> Immigration Controls<br>>> > gathering at SOAS.<br>>> ><br>>> > Please could you get back to me
about these two ideas<br>>> and let me know if I<br>>> > need to submit a more formal proposal or bring it to a<br>>> LARC meeting or<br>>> > what.<br>>> ><br>>> > Many thanks<br>>> ><br>>> > Jon<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>
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