<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hi all,<br>Sorry I haven't been present at all lately, trying to sort out the rest of my life... <br>I love the discussion about the name of the group & more generally involving kids in our activism. I really hope i can make the next meeting..<br>Also if help is required to sort out stuff at larc, i might be able to come, let me know when you're going.<br>Last thing, if anyone has any expenses to claim back from climate camp, let me know by the end of the week.<br>Hope to see you all soon,<br>Anaelle <br><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "butterflea@riseup.net"
<butterflea@riseup.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 28 September, 2009 9:58:26<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!<br></font><br>hi all,<br>i agree with all of gemmas points about the name.<br>the only thing i am sure about is that the word "childcare" should not be<br>in it, because it does imply that the group provides childcare.<br>Perhaps we should postpone deciding about the name until the next<br>meeting.The next meeting date has not yet been set so please do fill in<br>the next meeting date "doodle" at <a href="http://www.doodle.com/y6vpeecsrtkxuydt" target="_blank">http://www.doodle.com/y6vpeecsrtkxuydt</a><br>so that we can see what time suits everyone and i can book larc.<br>Una<br><br>> Hi all,<br>><br>> yep im fine with the name 'london radilca
kids collective' just for<br>ease,<br>> but as we discussed in the meeting, it could be taken in two ways: 1)<br>that<br>> we are a collecitve for london's radical kids, 2) that we are run by the<br>kids as a kids' colletive and we are radical in london.<br>><br>> we definately are not a kids' collecitve at the moment obviously as the<br>kids havent been consulted on anything much so far! but this was the<br>idea<br>> at the start of this group that we really would be more child-led and<br>once<br>> the group was running well, that we'd have more opportunity to let the<br>kids take charge a bit, or do events/encourage others to big-up the<br>child-led aspects. Easier said than done, but this collective was not<br>set<br>> up by kids, it was set up by concerned adults.<br>><br>> Also we still havent had the discussion what do we mean by 'radical'. im<br>sure most of us that have been involved are on the same levels, but
we<br>still need to clarify this. Would the word 'autonomous' be better to use<br>instead?<br>><br>> At the moment there are more adults involved in the collecitve than<br>kids,<br>> and most of those kids are under the ages of 4 (i think), and a third<br>are<br>> 2 or under. obviously a family could get involed with older kids but at<br>the moment, its not gonna be easy to faciliatate a kids collecitve with<br>the kids we have coming at the moment!!<br>><br>> Can we not have a name for us adults as a collective, and then in the<br>future when we get to the stage of facilitating the kids in what they<br>want<br>> to do, they can set up their own kids' collective. we cant set up a kids<br>collecitve for them! Or not have a kids' colelctive separate at all, but<br>have an adults and kids collecitve combined: so just as we are now, but<br>with way more child-led stuff within it?<br>><br>> If so, then the name might have to be
something longwinded like: the<br>London Autonomous Collective for Supporting Parents and Kids<br>(LACSPK)<br>> or<br>> the London Collective for Radical Adults and Kids (LCRAK) or just the<br>Collecitve for Radical Adults and Kids (CRAK) or<br>> Autonomy for Parents and Kids Collective (APKC)<br>><br>> OR just have a one word name such as: RadiKids- a London collecitive for<br>radical kids and adults. Or, Kids Autonomy Now! (KAN!)<br>><br>> OR for ease, what about:<br>> London Radical Collective for Kids<br>><br>> Ok, will let you get back to all your busy lives now and sign out before<br>your brains burst<br>><br>> x<br>><br>>> Thought I'd get in there before the 28th deadline to say I like the<br>name<br>>> "London Radical Kids Collective". I also think it might imply that<br>we<br>>> are a "kids' collective", and that we are all kids and this is our radical<br>>>
collective! Maybe not, but I like the fact that it sounds like we're not<br>>> just a group of adults and think it's something we should start putting<br>into practice a bit more. I suppose realistically it would be very<br>different asking for Molly's opinion on some issue from what we might<br>get<br>>> out of Kayden, but I do think we should think seriously about modelling<br>some of the things that we mention in the fantastic group statement<br>about<br>>> involving kids in activism. Hmmm, just an idea but not very well thought<br>>> through yet!<br>>>  <br>>> Sorry for the 2 separate emails. <br>>>  <br>>> Peace and love<br>>>  <br>>> Jon<br>>>  <br>>>  <br>>> --- On Tue, 22/9/09, Anna Davies <<a ymailto="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com">annmaridav@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: From:<br>Anna Davies <<a ymailto="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com" href="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com">annmaridav@hotmail.com</a>><br>>> Subject: [Radical_childcare] Minutes of Meeting 21st September 2009 To:<br>"radical childcare" <<a ymailto="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org" href="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org">radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org</a>><br>>> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 4:39 PM<br>>> In Attendance: Anna D, Una, Molly, Maggie, Gemma, Kayden, Emel, Nihir<br>(Sorry about spelling!)<br>>>  <br>>>  <br>>> Climate Camp<br>>>  <br>>> The group discussed how the kids space went at climate camp. It was<br>decided to prompt everyone who was there to write a short report of<br>their<br>>> feelings about it, then we can amalgamate this into a
larger<br>>> report/record<br>>> to feed back into the next gathering, to help organising the space in the<br>>> future.<br>>>  <br>>> Here are a few of the conclusions we came to at the meeting.<br>>>  <br>>> Saturday was the most amazing day of the kids space, it was packed out<br>with longer term campers and many local families visiting for the<br>day. <br>>> There were lots of exciting workshops with good feedback, and even an<br>on-site Rabbit!<br>>> In General there was not enough support from the rest of the campers,<br>despite constantly trying to rally for help. There was no mass day of<br>action this year, which means there should have been ample amount of<br>people on site at any one time to help with the space. <br>>> There was really good feedback from local residents of Blackheath. <br>One<br>>> parent stated she had brought her
kids along to learn about Climate Change<br>>> and they’d had a really good day.<br>>> Despite a sign put up in the space, some parents used the space as a<br>crèche and left children un attended.<br>>> The ‘kids toilets’ were too far away from the kids space.<br>>> There should have been early lunch provision for kids, as the lunch queues<br>>> were incredibly long at all the kitchens.<br>>> There was no legal briefing from the camp, with regards to last years<br>camp, and it became apparent that incidents with the police, lack of<br>support etc were reasons why last years kids space organisers did not<br>get<br>>> involved with the camp this year.<br>>>  <br>>> Action Points’s<br>>>  <br>>> Gemma to email Nick regarding footage taken of the kids march.<br>>> Una to try and locate the missing circus equipment<br>>> Everyone feed
into the list their thoughts and feelings about how the<br>space went<br>>>  <br>>>  <br>>> Setting up a blog, group admin and Group name<br>>>  <br>>> It was decided that setting up an online blog would be a good idea. <br>To<br>>> be a central point for people to post links, resources, reports, photos<br>etc, and a place for people to find out about our collective, when we<br>start to produce leaflets etc, this can be linked on there.<br>>>  <br>>> This then rolled into a discussion about the name of our group, and the<br>fact that the ‘Radical Childcare Collective’ was always intended as<br>a<br>>> temporary name. <br>>>  <br>>> It was decided that it is quite important to drop or replace the word<br>‘childcare’ from this title, for two reasons. Firstly the word in<br>itself is a debated term. And
secondly it does not represent the<br>umbrella of areas the group does, or may wish to be involved with in<br>the<br>>> future. We don’t ‘provide childcare’ and this may be suggested by<br>>> retaining the word.<br>>>  <br>>> A new suggestion was discussed. LONDON RADICAL KIDS COLLECTIVE  <br>>> We want to open this up for discussion before a decision is made so<br>welcome new suggestions to the list please! <br>>>  <br>>> We need to confirm the name in order to set up the blog change the name of<br>>> the list, produce information etc so we will give the discussion til<br>say<br>>> the 28th of this month, then take it from there.<br>>>  <br>>> Action Points:<br>>>  <br>>> Anna to put out new thread to the list for name discussion, along with the<br>>> group statement.<br>>> Anna to set
up blog once this is decided<br>>> Anna to check email account and admin list until the next meeting  <br>>>  <br>>> Next meeting<br>>>  <br>>> The group felt a meeting to discuss the direction of the group and set<br>some short term and long term goals would be good. And we should try<br>and<br>>> build for this meeting but networking with other groups and possibly<br>leafleting relevant events (only possible when all of number 2 is<br>achieved!)<br>>> Una will facilitate the next meeting, arrange the location etc and send<br>out reminders.<br>>>  <br>>> Action Points:<br>>>  <br>>> Una to create a ‘doodle’ and post to the list to find the best time<br>for the next meeting.<br>>>  <br>>>  <br>>> Beyond Hotmail — see what else you can do with Windows Live. Find out<br>more.<br>>>
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