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Hey<br><br>I've filled out the doodle, but the dates may change obviously...thatnks for setting it up Una. <br><br>I'm concerned that we shouldn't postpone this until the next meeting as the name change was to finally enable a blog to be put into place as a way of building our group, networking and get things moving. <br><br>I fear if we just postpone this, yet another 3 weeks will go by where nothing happens. <br><br>I may be jumping the gun a bit, let me know what you all think. <br><br>In terms of the name by the way, I can see the implications of having 'kids collective' as being misleading about the group being led by kids (which at the moment it isn't), but as far as I can tell in all our discussions, this is a reality which we are wholeheartedly aiming for in the future anyway? <br><br>My 'vote' is with London Radical Kids Collective<br><br>Anna<br><br>x<br><br>> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:26 -0700<br>> From: butterflea@riseup.net<br>> To: radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!<br>> <br>> hi all,<br>> i agree with all of gemmas points about the name.<br>> the only thing i am sure about is that the word "childcare" should not be<br>> in it, because it does imply that the group provides childcare.<br>> Perhaps we should postpone deciding about the name until the next<br>> meeting.The next meeting date has not yet been set so please do fill in<br>> the next meeting date "doodle" at http://www.doodle.com/y6vpeecsrtkxuydt<br>> so that we can see what time suits everyone and i can book larc.<br>> Una<br>> <br>> > Hi all,<br>> ><br>> > yep im fine with the name 'london radilca kids collective' just for<br>> ease,<br>> > but as we discussed in the meeting, it could be taken in two ways: 1)<br>> that<br>> > we are a collecitve for london's radical kids, 2) that we are run by the<br>> kids as a kids' colletive and we are radical in london.<br>> ><br>> > we definately are not a kids' collecitve at the moment obviously as the<br>> kids havent been consulted on anything much so far! but this was the<br>> idea<br>> > at the start of this group that we really would be more child-led and<br>> once<br>> > the group was running well, that we'd have more opportunity to let the<br>> kids take charge a bit, or do events/encourage others to big-up the<br>> child-led aspects. Easier said than done, but this collective was not<br>> set<br>> > up by kids, it was set up by concerned adults.<br>> ><br>> > Also we still havent had the discussion what do we mean by 'radical'. im<br>> sure most of us that have been involved are on the same levels, but we<br>> still need to clarify this. Would the word 'autonomous' be better to use<br>> instead?<br>> ><br>> > At the moment there are more adults involved in the collecitve than<br>> kids,<br>> > and most of those kids are under the ages of 4 (i think), and a third<br>> are<br>> > 2 or under. obviously a family could get involed with older kids but at<br>> the moment, its not gonna be easy to faciliatate a kids collecitve with<br>> the kids we have coming at the moment!!<br>> ><br>> > Can we not have a name for us adults as a collective, and then in the<br>> future when we get to the stage of facilitating the kids in what they<br>> want<br>> > to do, they can set up their own kids' collective. we cant set up a kids<br>> collecitve for them! Or not have a kids' colelctive separate at all, but<br>> have an adults and kids collecitve combined: so just as we are now, but<br>> with way more child-led stuff within it?<br>> ><br>> > If so, then the name might have to be something longwinded like: the<br>> London Autonomous Collective for Supporting Parents and Kids<br>> (LACSPK)<br>> > or<br>> > the London Collective for Radical Adults and Kids (LCRAK) or just the<br>> Collecitve for Radical Adults and Kids (CRAK) or<br>> > Autonomy for Parents and Kids Collective (APKC)<br>> ><br>> > OR just have a one word name such as: RadiKids- a London collecitive for<br>> radical kids and adults. Or, Kids Autonomy Now! (KAN!)<br>> ><br>> > OR for ease, what about:<br>> > London Radical Collective for Kids<br>> ><br>> > Ok, will let you get back to all your busy lives now and sign out before<br>> your brains burst<br>> ><br>> > x<br>> ><br>> >> Thought I'd get in there before the 28th deadline to say I like the<br>> name<br>> >> "London Radical Kids Collective". I also think it might imply that<br>> we<br>> >> are a "kids' collective", and that we are all kids and this is our radical<br>> >> collective! Maybe not, but I like the fact that it sounds like we're not<br>> >> just a group of adults and think it's something we should start putting<br>> into practice a bit more. I suppose realistically it would be very<br>> different asking for Molly's opinion on some issue from what we might<br>> get<br>> >> out of Kayden, but I do think we should think seriously about modelling<br>> some of the things that we mention in the fantastic group statement<br>> about<br>> >> involving kids in activism. Hmmm, just an idea but not very well thought<br>> >> through yet!<br>> >>  <br>> >> Sorry for the 2 separate emails. <br>> >>  <br>> >> Peace and love<br>> >>  <br>> >> Jon<br>> >>  <br>> >>  <br>> >> --- On Tue, 22/9/09, Anna Davies <annmaridav@hotmail.com> wrote: From:<br>> Anna Davies <annmaridav@hotmail.com><br>> >> Subject: [Radical_childcare] Minutes of Meeting 21st September 2009 To:<br>> "radical childcare" <radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org><br>> >> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 4:39 PM<br>> >> In Attendance: Anna D, Una, Molly, Maggie, Gemma, Kayden, Emel, Nihir<br>> (Sorry about spelling!)<br>> >>  <br>> >>  <br>> >> Climate Camp<br>> >>  <br>> >> The group discussed how the kids space went at climate camp. It was<br>> decided to prompt everyone who was there to write a short report of<br>> their<br>> >> feelings about it, then we can amalgamate this into a larger<br>> >> report/record<br>> >> to feed back into the next gathering, to help organising the space in the<br>> >> future.<br>> >>  <br>> >> Here are a few of the conclusions we came to at the meeting.<br>> >>  <br>> >> Saturday was the most amazing day of the kids space, it was packed out<br>> with longer term campers and many local families visiting for the<br>> day. <br>> >> There were lots of exciting workshops with good feedback, and even an<br>> on-site Rabbit!<br>> >> In General there was not enough support from the rest of the campers,<br>> despite constantly trying to rally for help. There was no mass day of<br>> action this year, which means there should have been ample amount of<br>> people on site at any one time to help with the space. <br>> >> There was really good feedback from local residents of Blackheath. <br>> One<br>> >> parent stated she had brought her kids along to learn about Climate Change<br>> >> and they’d had a really good day.<br>> >> Despite a sign put up in the space, some parents used the space as a<br>> crèche and left children un attended.<br>> >> The ‘kids toilets’ were too far away from the kids space.<br>> >> There should have been early lunch provision for kids, as the lunch queues<br>> >> were incredibly long at all the kitchens.<br>> >> There was no legal briefing from the camp, with regards to last years<br>> camp, and it became apparent that incidents with the police, lack of<br>> support etc were reasons why last years kids space organisers did not<br>> get<br>> >> involved with the camp this year.<br>> >>  <br>> >> Action Points’s<br>> >>  <br>> >> Gemma to email Nick regarding footage taken of the kids march.<br>> >> Una to try and locate the missing circus equipment<br>> >> Everyone feed into the list their thoughts and feelings about how the<br>> space went<br>> >>  <br>> >>  <br>> >> Setting up a blog, group admin and Group name<br>> >>  <br>> >> It was decided that setting up an online blog would be a good idea. <br>> To<br>> >> be a central point for people to post links, resources, reports, photos<br>> etc, and a place for people to find out about our collective, when we<br>> start to produce leaflets etc, this can be linked on there.<br>> >>  <br>> >> This then rolled into a discussion about the name of our group, and the<br>> fact that the ‘Radical Childcare Collective’ was always intended as<br>> a<br>> >> temporary name. <br>> >>  <br>> >> It was decided that it is quite important to drop or replace the word<br>> ‘childcare’ from this title, for two reasons. Firstly the word in<br>> itself is a debated term. And secondly it does not represent the<br>> umbrella of areas the group does, or may wish to be involved with in<br>> the<br>> >> future. We don’t ‘provide childcare’ and this may be suggested by<br>> >> retaining the word.<br>> >>  <br>> >> A new suggestion was discussed. LONDON RADICAL KIDS COLLECTIVE  <br>> >> We want to open this up for discussion before a decision is made so<br>> welcome new suggestions to the list please! <br>> >>  <br>> >> We need to confirm the name in order to set up the blog change the name of<br>> >> the list, produce information etc so we will give the discussion til<br>> say<br>> >> the 28th of this month, then take it from there.<br>> >>  <br>> >> Action Points:<br>> >>  <br>> >> Anna to put out new thread to the list for name discussion, along with the<br>> >> group statement.<br>> >> Anna to set up blog once this is decided<br>> >> Anna to check email account and admin list until the next meeting  <br>> >>  <br>> >> Next meeting<br>> >>  <br>> >> The group felt a meeting to discuss the direction of the group and set<br>> some short term and long term goals would be good. And we should try<br>> and<br>> >> build for this meeting but networking with other groups and possibly<br>> leafleting relevant events (only possible when all of number 2 is<br>> achieved!)<br>> >> Una will facilitate the next meeting, arrange the location etc and send<br>> out reminders.<br>> >>  <br>> >> Action Points:<br>> >>  <br>> >> Una to create a ‘doodle’ and post to the list to find the best time<br>> for the next meeting.<br>> >>  <br>> >>  <br>> >> Beyond Hotmail — see what else you can do with Windows Live. 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