<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I am a lone voice but again, I do find the whole name as it is very easy on the ear, a good representation of what the whole thing is about without being too cheap or commecrial eg 'busy free-bees' or some such trivia.</DIV>
<DIV>Truth is so much more attractive than bogus inventions - and considering how many people respond - even if like me they fail o get to meetings (altho' I did go along to Brockwell Park and enjoyed the vibe there this year) but one day I shall~! Faith<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Thought for the Day:</STRONG> <FONT color=#000099><EM>"<FONT color=#ff0000>Change</FONT> <FONT color=#ff7f00>the way</FONT> <FONT color=#bfbf00>you look</FONT> <FONT color=#00bf60>at things</FONT> <FONT color=#0000ff>and the</FONT> <FONT color=#a040ff>things you</FONT> <FONT color=#bf005f>look<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #111111"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" color=#bfbf00> at</FONT></FONT><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"> </FONT></FONT><FONT color=#111111><FONT color=#a94a76>change</FONT>.</FONT>"</EM></FONT> Dr. Wayne Dyer</DIV>
<DIV> (Emotional Freedom Technique nugget)</DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/10/09, tumbleweed_freed@riseup.net <I><tumbleweed_freed@riseup.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: tumbleweed_freed@riseup.net <tumbleweed_freed@riseup.net><BR>Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!<BR>To: "emel kahraman" <emel_kah@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: "radical childcare" <radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org><BR>Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 9:32 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Hi emel hope you n family r ok.<BR><BR>Hi all,<BR><BR>i agree we dont wanna be bogged down too much with naming the collecitve,<BR>and if everyone agrees with London Radical Kids Collective then i'm fine<BR>with that, but still think it implies we are a kids collecive- just as<BR>'radical childcare' implies we are childcare providers!<BR><BR>My understanding of a kids collective is one that is solely one runby<BR>kids, but can have adults facilitating. Hoever i doubt we would ever get<BR>to that point, as us adults want to be involved too, therefore making it a<BR>'kids and adults' collective! As i said in previous email, a group of<BR>adults cant really set up a kids collecitve fo the kids, the whole meaning<BR>of kids collecitve is that it has been set up by the kids themselves. The<BR>kids so far invokved in our collecitve are quite young/too few to really<BR>have a proper go at a kids collective. What i thought we were more
aiming<BR>for is a collective that has equal imput from both adults and kids, so<BR>treating kids as equals, and encouraging them to be involved in adult<BR>decisionmaking, therefore creating more child-led ideas and initiatives,<BR>yet this still does not mean we are a kids collective.<BR><BR>So i think the name London Radical Kids Collective is fine, but im<BR>sticking to my peaceguns that we arent (and probably not gonna be) a kids<BR>collecitve!!<BR><BR>Do we even have to have the 'collective' bit in there anyway? Can it just<BR>be 'London Radical Kids' or 'London Radical Kids Autonomous Group' or<BR>'London Autonomous Kids Radical Collective' or 'London Kids Radical<BR>Collective'...<BR><BR>;)<BR><BR>xx<BR><BR>> hello all,<BR>><BR>> sorry havent written earlier but its been an unpleasant week involving<BR>> hospital, thats why this is going to be short email as well, mainly to say<BR>> i agree with anna's points about waiting and im
happy with the name LONDON<BR>> RADICAL KIDS COLLECTIVE, i dont think it implies we are a collective<BR>> organized by kids, i think it says thats a collective involving kids ( i<BR>> read it LONDON RADICAL KIDS collective rather than LONDON RADICAL kids<BR>> collective) and i think its sounds better than trying to define it<BR>> (i.e. XXXXX FOR KIDS) coz then it sounds as if grown ups are doing<BR>> something for kids rather than doing that thing with them etc etc. <BR>><BR>> love to you all,<BR>> e.<BR>><BR>> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Anna Davies <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=annmaridav@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com">annmaridav@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> From: Anna Davies <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=annmaridav@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com">annmaridav@hotmail.com</A>><BR>> Subject:
Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!<BR>> To: "una" <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=butterflea@riseup.net" ymailto="mailto:butterflea@riseup.net">butterflea@riseup.net</A>>, "radical childcare"<BR>> <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org" ymailto="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org">radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org</A>><BR>> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:19 PM<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hey<BR>><BR>> I've filled out the doodle, but the dates may change obviously...thatnks<BR>> for setting it up Una.<BR>><BR>> I'm concerned that we shouldn't postpone this until the next meeting as<BR>> the name change was to finally enable a blog to be put into place as a way<BR>> of building our group, networking and get things moving. <BR>><BR>> I fear if we just postpone this, yet another 3 weeks will go by
where<BR>> nothing happens.<BR>><BR>> I may be jumping the gun a bit, let me know what you all think. <BR>><BR>> In terms of the name by the way, I can see the implications of having<BR>> 'kids collective' as being misleading about the group being led by kids<BR>> (which at the moment it isn't), but as far as I can tell in all our<BR>> discussions, this is a reality which we are wholeheartedly aiming for in<BR>> the future anyway?<BR>><BR>> My 'vote' is with London Radical Kids Collective<BR>><BR>> Anna<BR>><BR>> x<BR>><BR>>> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:58:26 -0700<BR>>> From: <A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=butterflea@riseup.net" ymailto="mailto:butterflea@riseup.net">butterflea@riseup.net</A><BR>>> To: <A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org"
ymailto="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org">radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org</A><BR>>> Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] Cool name!<BR>>><BR>>> hi all,<BR>>> i agree with all of gemmas points about the name.<BR>>> the only thing i am sure about is that the word "childcare" should not<BR>>> be<BR>>> in it, because it does imply that the group provides childcare.<BR>>> Perhaps we should postpone deciding about the name until the next<BR>>> meeting.The next meeting date has not yet been set so please do fill in<BR>>> the next meeting date "doodle" at <A href="http://www.doodle.com/y6vpeecsrtkxuydt" target=_blank>http://www.doodle.com/y6vpeecsrtkxuydt</A><BR>>> so that we can see what time suits everyone and i can book larc.<BR>>> Una<BR>>><BR>>> > Hi all,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > yep im fine with the name 'london radilca kids collective' just
for<BR>>> ease,<BR>>> > but as we discussed in the meeting, it could be taken in two ways: 1)<BR>>> that<BR>>> > we are a collecitve for london's radical kids, 2) that we are run by<BR>>> the<BR>>> kids as a kids' colletive and we are radical in london.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > we definately are not a kids' collecitve at the moment obviously as<BR>>> the<BR>>> kids havent been consulted on anything much so far! but this was the<BR>>> idea<BR>>> > at the start of this group that we really would be more child-led and<BR>>> once<BR>>> > the group was running well, that we'd have more opportunity to let the<BR>>> kids take charge a bit, or do events/encourage others to big-up the<BR>>> child-led aspects. Easier said than done, but this collective was not<BR>>> set<BR>>> > up by kids, it was set up by concerned adults.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Also we still havent had the discussion what do we mean by 'radical'.<BR>>> im<BR>>> sure most of us that have been involved are on the same levels, but we<BR>>> still need to clarify this. Would the word 'autonomous' be better to use<BR>>> instead?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > At the moment there are more adults involved in the collecitve than<BR>>> kids,<BR>>> > and most of those kids are under the ages of 4 (i think), and a third<BR>>> are<BR>>> > 2 or under. obviously a family could get involed with older kids but<BR>>> at<BR>>> the moment, its not gonna be easy to faciliatate a kids collecitve with<BR>>> the kids we have coming at the moment!!<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Can we not have a name for us adults as a collective, and then in the<BR>>> future when we get to the stage of facilitating the kids in what they<BR>>>
want<BR>>> > to do, they can set up their own kids' collective. we cant set up a<BR>>> kids<BR>>> collecitve for them! Or not have a kids' colelctive separate at all, but<BR>>> have an adults and kids collecitve combined: so just as we are now, but<BR>>> with way more child-led stuff within it?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > If so, then the name might have to be something longwinded like: the<BR>>> London Autonomous Collective for Supporting Parents and Kids<BR>>> (LACSPK)<BR>>> > or<BR>>> > the London Collective for Radical Adults and Kids (LCRAK) or just the<BR>>> Collecitve for Radical Adults and Kids (CRAK) or<BR>>> > Autonomy for Parents and Kids Collective (APKC)<BR>>> ><BR>>> > OR just have a one word name such as: RadiKids- a London collecitive<BR>>> for<BR>>> radical kids and adults. Or, Kids Autonomy Now! (KAN!)<BR>>>
><BR>>> > OR for ease, what about:<BR>>> > London Radical Collective for Kids<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Ok, will let you get back to all your busy lives now and sign out<BR>>> before<BR>>> your brains burst<BR>>> ><BR>>> > x<BR>>> ><BR>>> >> Thought I'd get in there before the 28th deadline to say I like the<BR>>> name<BR>>> >> "London Radical Kids Collective". I also think it might imply<BR>>> that<BR>>> we<BR>>> >> are a "kids' collective", and that we are all kids and this is our<BR>>> radical<BR>>> >> collective! Maybe not, but I like the fact that it sounds like<BR>>> we're not<BR>>> >> just a group of adults and think it's something we should start<BR>>> putting<BR>>> into practice a bit more. I suppose realistically it would be very<BR>>>
different asking for Molly's opinion on some issue from what we might<BR>>> get<BR>>> >> out of Kayden, but I do think we should think seriously about<BR>>> modelling<BR>>> some of the things that we mention in the fantastic group statement<BR>>> about<BR>>> >> involving kids in activism. Hmmm, just an idea but not very well<BR>>> thought<BR>>> >> through yet!<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Sorry for the 2 separate emails. <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Peace and love<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Jon<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> --- On Tue, 22/9/09, Anna Davies <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=annmaridav@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com">annmaridav@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> From:<BR>>> Anna
Davies <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=annmaridav@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:annmaridav@hotmail.com">annmaridav@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>> >> Subject: [Radical_childcare] Minutes of Meeting 21st September 2009<BR>>> To:<BR>>> "radical childcare" <<A href="http://uk.mc245.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org" ymailto="mailto:radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org">radical_childcare@lists.aktivix.org</A>><BR>>> >> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 4:39 PM<BR>>> >> In Attendance: Anna D, Una, Molly, Maggie, Gemma, Kayden, Emel,<BR>>> Nihir<BR>>> (Sorry about spelling!)<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Climate Camp<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> The group discussed how the kids space went at climate camp. It<BR>>> was<BR>>> decided to prompt
everyone who was there to write a short report of<BR>>> their<BR>>> >> feelings about it, then we can amalgamate this into a larger<BR>>> >> report/record<BR>>> >> to feed back into the next gathering, to help organising the space in<BR>>> the<BR>>> >> future.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Here are a few of the conclusions we came to at the meeting.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Saturday was the most amazing day of the kids space, it was packed<BR>>> out<BR>>> with longer term campers and many local families visiting for the<BR>>> day. <BR>>> >> There were lots of exciting workshops with good feedback, and even an<BR>>> on-site Rabbit!<BR>>> >> In General there was not enough support from the rest of the campers,<BR>>> despite constantly trying to rally for help. There was no mass
day<BR>>> of<BR>>> action this year, which means there should have been ample amount of<BR>>> people on site at any one time to help with the space. <BR>>> >> There was really good feedback from local residents of<BR>>> Blackheath. <BR>>> One<BR>>> >> parent stated she had brought her kids along to learn about Climate<BR>>> Change<BR>>> >> and they’d had a really good day.<BR>>> >> Despite a sign put up in the space, some parents used the space as a<BR>>> crèche and left children un attended.<BR>>> >> The ‘kids toilets’ were too far away from the kids<BR>>> space.<BR>>> >> There should have been early lunch provision for kids, as the lunch<BR>>> queues<BR>>> >> were incredibly long at all the kitchens.<BR>>> >> There was no legal briefing from the camp, with regards to
last years<BR>>> camp, and it became apparent that incidents with the police, lack of<BR>>> support etc were reasons why last years kids space organisers did not<BR>>> get<BR>>> >> involved with the camp this year.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Action Points’s<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Gemma to email Nick regarding footage taken of the kids march.<BR>>> >> Una to try and locate the missing circus equipment<BR>>> >> Everyone feed into the list their thoughts and feelings about how the<BR>>> space went<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Setting up a blog, group admin and Group name<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> It was decided that setting up an online blog would be a good<BR>>> idea. <BR>>> To<BR>>> >> be a central point for people to post links,
resources, reports,<BR>>> photos<BR>>> etc, and a place for people to find out about our collective, when we<BR>>> start to produce leaflets etc, this can be linked on there.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> This then rolled into a discussion about the name of our group, and<BR>>> the<BR>>> fact that the ‘Radical Childcare Collective’ was always<BR>>> intended as<BR>>> a<BR>>> >> temporary name. <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> It was decided that it is quite important to drop or replace the word<BR>>> ‘childcare’ from this title, for two reasons. Firstly the<BR>>> word in<BR>>> itself is a debated term. And secondly it does not represent the<BR>>> umbrella of areas the group does, or may wish to be involved with in<BR>>> the<BR>>> >> future. We don’t ‘provide
childcare’ and this<BR>>> may be suggested by<BR>>> >> retaining the word.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> A new suggestion was discussed. LONDON RADICAL KIDS COLLECTIVE<BR>>>  <BR>>> >> We want to open this up for discussion before a decision is made so<BR>>> welcome new suggestions to the list please! <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> We need to confirm the name in order to set up the blog change the<BR>>> name of<BR>>> >> the list, produce information etc so we will give the discussion til<BR>>> say<BR>>> >> the 28th of this month, then take it from there.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Action Points:<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Anna to put out new thread to the list for name discussion, along<BR>>> with the<BR>>> >> group statement.<BR>>>
>> Anna to set up blog once this is decided<BR>>> >> Anna to check email account and admin list until the next meeting<BR>>>  <BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Next meeting<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> The group felt a meeting to discuss the direction of the group and<BR>>> set<BR>>> some short term and long term goals would be good. And we should try<BR>>> and<BR>>> >> build for this meeting but networking with other groups and possibly<BR>>> leafleting relevant events (only possible when all of number 2 is<BR>>> achieved!)<BR>>> >> Una will facilitate the next meeting, arrange the location etc and<BR>>> send<BR>>> out reminders.<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Action Points:<BR>>> >>  <BR>>> >> Una to create a ‘doodle’ and post to the list to
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