[SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 11, Issue 7
Amsler, Sarah
S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk
Fri Nov 11 21:04:57 UTC 2011
Hello all,
Thanks to Edwin and Richard for these comments, and Richard for sharing your blogpost. I've also been thinking about the question of consensus and public 'representation' (with all that entails, even if it aims not to represent in the classical sense), so would welcome an opportunity to discuss it next week. I think this is a question that is bigger than the Social Science Centre, and something that may be new to some of us -- for example, speaking personally, having been in positions where I largely have had either 'authority' to speak or the need only to represent my own positions -- so I think it could be useful to open it up. I think this is in fact something that we began to discuss at our last meeting with a conversation on how to articulate even the broadest of guiding principles in inclusive and cooperative ways.
I've also only been to one of the two meetings thus far, but my understanding is that all the questions Edwin raises are currently, and perhaps ongoing, matters of discussion and debate within the group. I would expect them to be for a while. Speaking only for myself again, they are in fact questions that even individuals may be working through for themselves. I read very clearly in your post, Edwin, that you'd rather avoid a debate on the questions you raise and would like to respect that -- particularly over email, which I think can be a pretty inadequate medium for such discussions, especially amongst a group of people who don't already have a history of communication. I think it would be a mistake to assume or demand that everyone involved wants to engage in the same ways (which is I think part of what you're arguing, and from what Richard has written below think is something he also believes). But I do think that you raise some hugely important points and questions that are central to the work of the Centre, and for both people whose positions resonate and those whose don't -- they are complex, critical, and we are prone to gloss them one way or the other. I would thus personally like to discuss and listen to others' ideas about them, so wonder if you wouldn't mind if we take up Richard's offer to raise them at the next meeting for whomever would like to discuss?
Best wishes,
Sarah
Dr Sarah S Amsler
Lecturer in Sociology
Aston University
Birmingham, B4 7ET, UK
+44 (0) 121 204 3072
s.s.amsler at aston.ac.uk
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:11:05 -0000
From: "Edwin Bacon" <edwin at baconweb.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [SSC] teach-in
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Thanks for this Richard,
How much of what you blogged is what we have agreed as a cooperative? Do we
have a position that students become revolutionary, and that we aim to
demonstrate the precarity of capital?
Does the SSC aim to understand how we can create meaningful criteria for
learning and teaching that are not alienating or symbolically violent? Has
the SSC decided that what we are doing is an act of political refusal?
I'm not primarily asking to instigate a debate on the substance of these
issues - in fact, I'd rather like to avoid one. More mundanely, I'm asking
to get clarity on whether they are agreed positions of the SSC.
I joined to teach students who don't want to get into debt. I didn't know
that we had much beyond that in terms of a political position, but it always
possible that I've missed something, having only been able to get to one
meeting so far.
Edwin
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On Behalf Of Richard Hall
Sent: 10 November 2011 17:21
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Subject: [SSC] teach-in
Hi,
I spoke at a teach-out for Tent City University yesterday about the Social
Science Centre. I blogged about it here:
http://www.learnex.dmu.ac.uk/2011/11/10/a-teach-in-at-tent-city-university-a
nd-the-struggle-for-alternatives/
There are some issues I raised about student-as-producer and the curriculum
that we need to nail. But I wanted to raise them as issues. I also blatantly
ripped-off some stuff from the quality paper that Sara/Sarah drafted.
Note that Mike spoke last week:
http://www.livescribe.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/LDApp.woa/wa/MLSOverviewPage?si
d=PZ8CqlBrJ9r1
We have some good friends and comrades at TCU. I had a good chat afterwards,
before and on the march. I think they will be amenable to more engagements
with us.
Best wishes,
Richard.
Dr Richard Hall,
National Teaching Fellow (2009), and Reader in Education and Technology.
Head of Enhancing Learning through Technology, Department of Library and
Learning Services.
DE MONTFORT UNIVERSITY.
T: +44 (0) 116 207 8254
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Learning Exchanges @ DMU: http://www.learnex.dmu.ac.uk/
DMU is Home to Mile2 which, in partnership with the Mayor's office, is using
DMU skills, knowledge and student volunteers to make a positive impact on a
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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:13:08 -0000
From: "Richard Hall" <RHall1 at dmu.ac.uk>
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Subject: [SSC] FW: teach-in
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Hi Edwin,
It's my take on it. And it is positioned very specifically and very
politically. I'm not sure it has been agreed, but I have ripped off
some of the position papers.
That said, you are right to raise the issues of consensus for what we
say in public about the SSC [this has worried me if I am honest]. Would
you like me to raise these next Saturday? I would be very happy to take
part in a conversation about them.
However, whilst I do see the SSC as an avowedly political project, I
recognise that it is just one position.
Have a good weekend.
Richard.
From: Edwin Bacon [mailto:edwin at baconweb.co.uk]
Sent: 11 November 2011 16:55
To: Richard Hall
Subject: RE: [SSC] teach-in
Thanks for this Richard,
How much of what you blogged is what we have agreed as a cooperative? Do
we now have a position that students become revolutionary, and that we
aim to demonstrate the precarity of capital?
Does the SSC aim to understand how we can create meaningful criteria for
learning and teaching that are not alienating or symbolically violent?
Has the SSC decided that what we are doing is an act of political
refusal?
I'm not primarily asking to instigate a debate on the substance of these
issues - in fact, I'd rather like to avoid one. More mundanely, I'm
asking to get clarity on whether they are agreed positions of the SSC.
I joined to teach students who don't want to get into debt. I didn't
know that we had much beyond that in terms of a political position, but
it always possible that I've missed something, having only been able to
get to one meeting so far.
Edwin
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[mailto:ssc-bounces at lists.aktivix.org] On Behalf Of Richard Hall
Sent: 10 November 2011 17:21
To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org
Subject: [SSC] teach-in
Hi,
I spoke at a teach-out for Tent City University yesterday about the
Social Science Centre. I blogged about it here:
http://www.learnex.dmu.ac.uk/2011/11/10/a-teach-in-at-tent-city-universi
ty-and-the-struggle-for-alternatives/
There are some issues I raised about student-as-producer and the
curriculum that we need to nail. But I wanted to raise them as issues. I
also blatantly ripped-off some stuff from the quality paper that
Sara/Sarah drafted.
Note that Mike spoke last week:
http://www.livescribe.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/LDApp.woa/wa/MLSOverviewPag
e?sid=PZ8CqlBrJ9r1
We have some good friends and comrades at TCU. I had a good chat
afterwards, before and on the march. I think they will be amenable to
more engagements with us.
Best wishes,
Richard.
Dr Richard Hall,
National Teaching Fellow (2009), and Reader in Education and Technology.
Head of Enhancing Learning through Technology, Department of Library and
Learning Services.
DE MONTFORT UNIVERSITY.
T: +44 (0) 116 207 8254
E: rhall1 at dmu.ac.uk SKYPE/TWITTER/YouTube: hallymk1
W:: dmu.ac.uk <http://www.dmu.ac.uk/>
Learning Exchanges @ DMU: http://www.learnex.dmu.ac.uk/
DMU is Home to Mile2 which, in partnership with the Mayor's office, is
using DMU skills, knowledge and student volunteers to make a positive
impact on a local Leicester community.
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