[SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 10, Issue 19
Michael Neary
nearymichael at hotmail.com
Mon Oct 24 14:13:31 UTC 2011
19 is also better for me.
M
> From: Sara.Motta at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: S.S.AMSLER at aston.ac.uk; ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:46:13 +0100
> Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 10, Issue 19
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> Dear all,
>
> Yes 19th is better for me too as I also cannot make the 26th as am at a workshop in Glastonbury.
>
> My best wishes
> Sara
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> Sent: 23 October 2011 15:57
> To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 10, Issue 19
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> Hello all,
>
> Many thanks, Joss, for your notes and for all those who have commented thus far. Richard, thanks for your specific thoughts on the 'quality' discussion paper. I will reply more seriously as soon as possible. At the moment, I just wanted to say to Sandie that yes, November 19th would be possible and indeed better for me (I can't make the 26th as I'll be speaking in Leeds on that day). So, I'd be for that plan.
>
> I thoroughly enjoyed yesterday's meeting and look forward to getting to work from it... Workers' Inquiry Group details coming soon!
>
> Best,
> Sarah
>
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> 1. Next Meeting: is 19th November possible for most of us?
> (Sandie Stratford)
> 2. Re: Meeting Notes 22-10-11 and related documents (Joss Winn)
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> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:23:59 +0100
> From: "Sandie Stratford" <sandiestrat at phonecoop.coop>
> To: "Joss Winn" <joss at josswinn.org>, <ssc at lists.aktivix.org>
> Subject: [SSC] Next Meeting: is 19th November possible for most of us?
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> Hi everyone
> I am investigating Croft St Community Centre, and I had a hunch 26th November would not be available: it's the Alternative Christmas Market (do come if you can - it's very highly recommended!)
>
> Can I suggest we move the meeting a week earlier? (If most people can't make this, I assume we will stay at Mint St for the 26th Nov session?) Croft St is free on 19th November, from 12 noon - 5pm, with a lovely safe outdoor courtyard space, a full size hall, kitchen and smaller meeting room available. ?7 per hour for voluntary groups (?35 for the session, with a possible extra charge for the kitchen).
>
> My suggestion of engaging the children in preparing a bring-and-share lunch would allow us some social time together with them, and we could include a small group activity they could join in, following lunch. I'm happy to lead on this.
>
> Have a look for yourself: it's about 15 mins walk from station.
> http://www.croftstreetcentre.co.uk/
> Sandie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joss Winn
> To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SSC] Meeting Notes 22-10-11 and related documents
>
>
> I neglected to include David McAleavey on the list of attendees. Sorry about that, David.
>
>
>
>
> On 22 October 2011 22:32, Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Here are my notes from today's meeting. They are unedited and by no means confirmed 'minutes' but hopefully will give you a sense of some of the discussions today. Perhaps other attendees can offer further notes and corrections?
>
> The papers referred to in the notes are the following and attached to this email.
>
> 1. Student Selection Notes
> 2. Curriculum Development
> 3. Quality and Peer Review
> 4. SSC Ethics/Values
>
> Best wishes
> Joss
>
> p.s. it was a packed meeting (the agenda was full and so was the room) with new attendees, kids playing in the next room and a real sense that the SSC is a living, growing project supported by committed, experienced people. It's a privilege to work with you all. We certainly need a bigger space and I'm looking forward to seeing how the Croft Street Community Centre works out for us. Sandie will confirm dates/time/place soon. See Item 9 for proposed dates/times.
>
>
> Meeting Notes Saturday 22-10-11
> Mint Lane 12.30-5pm
>
> Attending:
>
> Jonathan Coope, Mike Neary, Richard Keeble, David Young, Joel Lazurus, Joss Winn, Joyce Canaan, Sarah Amsler, Mahmood ?, Ian Hewitt, Laura Stratford, Sandie Stratford, John Andrews, Sara Motta.
>
> 1. Reviewed last month's minutes.
>
> 2. Matters Arising: Update member details on website. Sandie to replace David as counter-signatory on banking.
>
> 3. How to provide feedback positively and critically. What is the purpose of the comments we will be giving. The tone of our conversations is important.
>
> 4. Working Groups:
>
> a) Recruiting Scholars: Mike sent invites to 70+ people. Please continue to send contact details of people to invite to Mike. Current membership stands at 32. Need to update website with member biogs. Please send short biog to Joss if you wish to be listed as a member on the website.
>
> b) Recruiting Students: Joss, Sandie, David, Richard. Importance of something tangible to offer potential students. Particularly school leavers. Application process followed by open day. Recruitment to start in April. Students in Care a priority. Would involvement in the SSC affect receipt of state benefits? No. Students with disabilities accommodated and supported. Students requiring further support, directed to parallel initiatives. Selection of students also based on interests and availability of teaching members. Would like to see a written statement describing the process. Concerns around the nature of exclusion. What about excellent students who are reactionary? "The Fascist in the room". Students with different experience, different levels, require different 'selection' processes. Co-op has a 'statement of identity' - values and principles. Democracy, solidarity, community. Present a paper in a week. Emphasis on collaborative, experimental process between teachers/students. Not necessarily undertaking annual recruitment of students. 20 students is a guide. May not take on students each year. May take on some students outside the regular selection process. Interest in the Co-op movement in HE co-ops. A need for conscious self-reflexivity around the nature and evolution of the Centre.
>
> c) Curricula: David, Jonathan, Joyce, Laurence: Need for something practical in place, to offer students from the start. Background to the ideas of SSC is 'Student as Producer' but not necessarily its future. Are the 20 students all undergraduates? What about PhDs? MAs? Is the curricula discipline based or thematically based? Need to be concrete and start from where we are, not where we want to be. Constant process of radicalisation of what we do, but building on where we are at that point. Need to find agreement on the process of radicalisation and to what extent we remain in and against the current model. What does the SSC look like for potential students? What are the concrete attributes of the SSC? Are there minimum requirements? Are there 'outcomes'? Can link the SSC into the alternative economy (i.e. co-op). Good experience for SSC students. The *process* of developing the SSC is the *political* project. Would be useful to distinguish between more detailed, theoretical work and long term objectives and the practical, clearly defined, concrete expressions on the processes of the SSC. Subjects not normally covered by teaching staff could be opportunities for teachers and students to learn together. Need to start to identify teachers, what they can offer, their availability, subjects, etc. Curriculum group to co-ordinate.
>
> d) Quality/Review: Sara, Sarah: Gave summary of their paper. Questions of quality can be alienating. How to navigate the abstract nature of how to measure 'quality'. What does it means to value something in the first place? What does quality mean in the SSC? Ties in with the selection process of students. Also, perhaps try to move away from the notion of assessment? Co-produced a criteria of judgement. Do we need any standard or rigour? [Had to leave the room - missed end of paper summary]. Establish a reading group on this subject to examine further. Assess quality of work through its contribution to 'pro-sociality'. Judgement or critique? Quality or radical equality/equivalence? We are part of the peer-review process. Open peer-review? Quality is often the result of something being hollowed out. Must maintain the complexity of the educational process. Dialogue is key to the process. Should everything be open, online? As open as possible? Should we video a meeting to allow others to 'review' the process. Yes. Would be good to articulate that we're open to integrating the emotional experience of education/teaching/learning when presenting ourselves to others. What pedagogies do we intend to use? Quote: What is new, often isn't very pretty but rather raw. A different aesthetic. Must think about the literal space that we use? What are the implications of the space that we use? Need to investigate possible spaces for the SSC. Need to be 'collectively mindful'. WEA - establishing the ground rules. Students part of that process. 'Declare our distortion of emphasis' so that others are sensitive to it. Issues of academic and student subjectivity that remain with us.
>
> 5. Publicising the Centre: Need for a visual design for the SSC? Members contribute to this collectively. Need a specific meeting. 'Social marketing' - face to face networking. Ask Ross Bryant(?) about local designers (Biliminal). All bring an object/experience/photo to contribute to the ideas. What about the aesthetic of Zines? Encourage more use of the blog. Podcasts from members, too. Perhaps periodically change the design. Our emphasis on locality requires a greater focus on face-to-face and local pamphleteering. Hold an Open Day in March where people can come and ask questions prior to the application/selection process.
>
> 6. Values: Paper presented by John. Could look at Co-operative movement's statement of values. Use of the word 'purpose'. As a Co-op, the SSC should probably take Co-op values on board. Need to consider what our critics would make of our statement of values. A Mission Statement is only mimicking the corporate world. Working Group to be formed on creating a Value statement. UN year of Co-operation starts this year. Could look at that work. Perhaps select keywords that we can build on, rather than develop a full statement. Working group to establish the process of clarifying our values. Co-operation = Eutopism.
>
> 7. Researching the Centre: Work on SSC is antithetical to our day jobs. We need to capture this so as to use it to build on. We are co-researchers in a project. Valuable to capture the 'memory' of the SSC. We are creating something - sometimes we don't always know how we do it. Invite people to write on blog.
>
> 8. AOB: Need to think about involvement of children in meetings. Need to look for another space to accommodate the size of meetings. Prepare lunch together, Eat together. Look at Croft Street Community Centre. What about intragenerational inclusivity?
>
> 9. Calendar of meetings: Nov 25th (graphics 7.30-9.30pm), Nov 26th (12-5pm), January 5th (7.30-9.30pm).
>
> Actions: Working group on values, meeting about design (bring object), paper on student selection, Worker's Enquiry Group, Synthesise curriculum paper and discussion.
>
> Ending remarks from participants: "Ambivalent, exciting, productive, grounding, stable, questions, easier, fascinating, dynamic, radical questioning, very very rewarding, interesting, constant process/struggle, creative environment, inclusive, energising, making our voices heard, building community, inspired, at a party, fun, serious at the same time."
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> ?and I neglected to include Lioba Suchenwirth on the list of attendees. Sorry about that, Lioba.
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> > Sent: Sun 23.10.2011 08:07
> > To: ssc at lists.aktivix.org ssc at lists.aktivix.org
> > Subject: Re: [SSC] Meeting Notes 22-10-11 and related documents
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> > I neglected to include David McAleavey on the list of attendees. Sorry about that, David.
> >
> >>
> >> On 22 October 2011 22:32, Joss Winn <joss at josswinn.org> wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Here are my notes from today's meeting. They are unedited and by no means confirmed 'minutes' but hopefully will give you a sense of some of the discussions today. Perhaps other attendees can offer further notes and corrections?
> >>
> >> The papers referred to in the notes are the following and attached to this email.
> >>
> >> 1. Student Selection Notes
> >> 2. Curriculum Development
> >> 3. Quality and Peer Review
> >> 4. SSC Ethics/Values
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >> Joss
> >>
> >> p.s. it was a packed meeting (the agenda was full and so was the room) with new attendees, kids playing in the next room and a real sense that the SSC is a living, growing project supported by committed, experienced people. It's a privilege to work with you all. We certainly need a bigger space and I'm looking forward to seeing how the Croft Street Community Centre works out for us. Sandie will confirm dates/time/place soon. See Item 9 for proposed dates/times.
> >>
> >>
> >> Meeting Notes Saturday 22-10-11
> >> Mint Lane 12.30-5pm
> >>
> >> Attending:
> >>
> >> Jonathan Coope, Mike Neary, Richard Keeble, David Young, Joel Lazurus, Joss Winn, Joyce Canaan, Sarah Amsler, Mahmood ?, Ian Hewitt, Laura Stratford, Sandie Stratford, John Andrews, Sara Motta.
> >>
> >> 1. Reviewed last month's minutes.
> >>
> >> 2. Matters Arising: Update member details on website. Sandie to replace David as counter-signatory on banking.
> >>
> >> 3. How to provide feedback positively and critically. What is the purpose of the comments we will be giving. The tone of our conversations is important.
> >>
> >> 4. Working Groups:
> >>
> >> a) Recruiting Scholars: Mike sent invites to 70+ people. Please continue to send contact details of people to invite to Mike. Current membership stands at 32. Need to update website with member biogs. Please send short biog to Joss if you wish to be listed as a member on the website.
> >>
> >> b) Recruiting Students: Joss, Sandie, David, Richard. Importance of something tangible to offer potential students. Particularly school leavers. Application process followed by open day. Recruitment to start in April. Students in Care a priority. Would involvement in the SSC affect receipt of state benefits? No. Students with disabilities accommodated and supported. Students requiring further support, directed to parallel initiatives. Selection of students also based on interests and availability of teaching members. Would like to see a written statement describing the process. Concerns around the nature of exclusion. What about excellent students who are reactionary? "The Fascist in the room". Students with different experience, different levels, require different 'selection' processes. Co-op has a 'statement of identity' - values and principles. Democracy, solidarity, community. Present a paper in a week. Emphasis on collaborative, experimental process between teachers/students. Not necessarily undertaking annual recruitment of students. 20 students is a guide. May not take on students each year. May take on some students outside the regular selection process. Interest in the Co-op movement in HE co-ops. A need for conscious self-reflexivity around the nature and evolution of the Centre.
> >>
> >> c) Curricula: David, Jonathan, Joyce, Laurence: Need for something practical in place, to offer students from the start. Background to the ideas of SSC is 'Student as Producer' but not necessarily its future. Are the 20 students all undergraduates? What about PhDs? MAs? Is the curricula discipline based or thematically based? Need to be concrete and start from where we are, not where we want to be. Constant process of radicalisation of what we do, but building on where we are at that point. Need to find agreement on the process of radicalisation and to what extent we remain in and against the current model. What does the SSC look like for potential students? What are the concrete attributes of the SSC? Are there minimum requirements? Are there 'outcomes'? Can link the SSC into the alternative economy (i.e. co-op). Good experience for SSC students. The *process* of developing the SSC is the *political* project. Would be useful to distinguish between more detailed, theoretical work and long term objectives and the practical, clearly defined, concrete expressions on the processes of the SSC. Subjects not normally covered by teaching staff could be opportunities for teachers and students to learn together. Need to start to identify teachers, what they can offer, their availability, subjects, etc. Curriculum group to co-ordinate.
> >>
> >> d) Quality/Review: Sara, Sarah: Gave summary of their paper. Questions of quality can be alienating. How to navigate the abstract nature of how to measure 'quality'. What does it means to value something in the first place? What does quality mean in the SSC? Ties in with the selection process of students. Also, perhaps try to move away from the notion of assessment? Co-produced a criteria of judgement. Do we need any standard or rigour? [Had to leave the room - missed end of paper summary]. Establish a reading group on this subject to examine further. Assess quality of work through its contribution to 'pro-sociality'. Judgement or critique? Quality or radical equality/equivalence? We are part of the peer-review process. Open peer-review? Quality is often the result of something being hollowed out. Must maintain the complexity of the educational process. Dialogue is key to the process. Should everything be open, online? As open as possible? Should we video a meeting to allow others to 'review' the process. Yes. Would be good to articulate that we're open to integrating the emotional experience of education/teaching/learning when presenting ourselves to others. What pedagogies do we intend to use? Quote: What is new, often isn't very pretty but rather raw. A different aesthetic. Must think about the literal space that we use? What are the implications of the space that we use? Need to investigate possible spaces for the SSC. Need to be 'collectively mindful'. WEA - establishing the ground rules. Students part of that process. 'Declare our distortion of emphasis' so that others are sensitive to it. Issues of academic and student subjectivity that remain with us.
> >>
> >> 5. Publicising the Centre: Need for a visual design for the SSC? Members contribute to this collectively. Need a specific meeting. 'Social marketing' - face to face networking. Ask Ross Bryant(?) about local designers (Biliminal). All bring an object/experience/photo to contribute to the ideas. What about the aesthetic of Zines? Encourage more use of the blog. Podcasts from members, too. Perhaps periodically change the design. Our emphasis on locality requires a greater focus on face-to-face and local pamphleteering. Hold an Open Day in March where people can come and ask questions prior to the application/selection process.
> >>
> >> 6. Values: Paper presented by John. Could look at Co-operative movement's statement of values. Use of the word 'purpose'. As a Co-op, the SSC should probably take Co-op values on board. Need to consider what our critics would make of our statement of values. A Mission Statement is only mimicking the corporate world. Working Group to be formed on creating a Value statement. UN year of Co-operation starts this year. Could look at that work. Perhaps select keywords that we can build on, rather than develop a full statement. Working group to establish the process of clarifying our values. Co-operation = Eutopism.
> >>
> >> 7. Researching the Centre: Work on SSC is antithetical to our day jobs. We need to capture this so as to use it to build on. We are co-researchers in a project. Valuable to capture the 'memory' of the SSC. We are creating something - sometimes we don't always know how we do it. Invite people to write on blog.
> >>
> >> 8. AOB: Need to think about involvement of children in meetings. Need to look for another space to accommodate the size of meetings. Prepare lunch together, Eat together. Look at Croft Street Community Centre. What about intragenerational inclusivity?
> >>
> >> 9. Calendar of meetings: Nov 25th (graphics 7.30-9.30pm), Nov 26th (12-5pm), January 5th (7.30-9.30pm).
> >>
> >> Actions: Working group on values, meeting about design (bring object), paper on student selection, Worker's Enquiry Group, Synthesise curriculum paper and discussion.
> >>
> >> Ending remarks from participants: "Ambivalent, exciting, productive, grounding, stable, questions, easier, fascinating, dynamic, radical questioning, very very rewarding, interesting, constant process/struggle, creative environment, inclusive, energising, making our voices heard, building community, inspired, at a party, fun, serious at the same time."
> >>
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