<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi David,</div><div><br></div><div>The Sudbury model has real potential. Sugata Mitra on how kids learn offers a similar insight, albeit, in a differing context. I have seen this type of collaborative learning between my own children and I find it very exciting. We really need to ditch exams. </div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Alan</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 1 Oct 2012, at 22:38, David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Dear All,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>You might remember that I mentioned Sudbury Valley School (USA) during the discussion we had after Michael Fielding's lecture last week. </div>
<div><br><a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/200808/children-educate-themselves-iv-lessons-sudbury-valley">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/200808/children-educate-themselves-iv-lessons-sudbury-valley</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>I think we can learn from this model.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Respectfully yours,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>David</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 1 October 2012 21:09, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sarah@socialsciencecentre.org.uk" target="_blank">sarah@socialsciencecentre.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Wow, just saw Alan's nice podcast with Michael Fielding's talk...great! Thanks Alan.<br><br>Sarah<br><br>
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> text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>><br>> > Hi all I wish to convey my apologies for the next<br>> meeting on Wednesday due to a long standing family commitment.<br>><br>> > Darryl<br>> ><br>
> > Sent from my iPad<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 2<br>> > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:38:27 +0100<br>> > From: David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
> To: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt@g<br>> <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>><br>> Cc: ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.<br>
> > Message-ID:<br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:CADx5COqu8AcFSL9zntD53K+KCtcVe7JMbSWY8V2cH7H4GBvUTg@mail.gmail">CADx5COqu8AcFSL9zntD53K+KCtcVe7JMbSWY8V2cH7H4GBvUTg@mail.gmail</a><br>> .com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain;<br>> charset="iso-8859-1"<br>><br>> > Alan,<br>
> ><br>> > What happened to your daughter last Thursday needs<br>> to addressed separately.<br>> At present, I am unable to express my<br>> feelings.<br>><br>> > I think our communication system has failed us again<br>
> - the meeting<br>> scheduled for next Wednesday was agreed on (and<br>> posted to the list, I<br>> think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee at the Angel,<br>> a pint in the Jolly<br>> Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at my place...<br>
> it's the opportunity for<br>> dialogue, not the beverage, that counts.<br>> ><br>> > Apologies about the minutes, but they will be posted<br>> asap.<br>><br>> > I do not agree with selection full stop.<br>
> ><br>> > If you let Steve have your details, I am confident<br>> that your expenses will<br>> be covered.<br>> ><br>> > Respectfully yours,<br>> ><br>> > David<br>> ><br>> ><br>
> ><br>> > On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt@g<br>> <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> >> Hi David,<br>> >><br>> >> I have to say that I don't agree with you on<br>
> several counts and I know my<br>>> comments are not at all relevant, if they were,<br>> meetings would be consulted<br>>> upon before being agreed. This is a rehash of<br>> in-between meetings from last<br>
>> week. There are no minutes from<br>> Saturday.<br>>><br>> >> I agreed to take care of the website on Thursday<br>> only to find out today a<br>>> meeting is scheduled for Wednesday to discuss<br>
> its development. I'm not sure<br>>> if I can afford to attend. If I am to attend I<br>> would add communication to<br>>> the agenda i.e., learning support. Will work be<br>> eligible for travelling<br>
>> expenses?<br>> >><br>> >> Another point is - and it was raised at Michael<br>> Fielding's lecture - there<br>>> is a disparity between community focused primary<br>> schools and market driven<br>
>> higher education. I noted the commentator said<br>> there were some exceptions<br>>> to his positive experience with his primary<br>> school, but it didn't go far<br>>> enough. Purposely so.<br>
> >><br>> >> Michael Fielding was unaware of the continuation<br>> of academic selection as<br>>> young as 10 years old in Lincolnshire. Ok, I<br>> could have spoken out, but I<br>>> was concerned that talk of discrimination<br>
> wouldn't bode well with the<br>>> purpose of SSC. I want to raise this<br>> now.<br>>><br>> >> What does one have to do in Lincolnshire to<br>> become involved in democratic<br>>> education? I won't join the Labour Party, so was<br>
> hoping for scope within<br>>> SSC.<br>> >><br>> >> To reiterate, there is no representation for<br>> education on the Lincolnshire<br>>> coast. CERD supported anti academies in Louth,<br>
> yet appear to have no<br>>> appetite to discuss rejection by 11+. Why is<br>> this? Furthermore, do you<br>>> agree that children should be selected on<br>> faith?<br>>><br>> >> Just to add some context. From personal<br>
> experience, children on the<br>>> coastal strip have been told in Y6 that if they<br>> are naughty they will go to<br>>> our all ability schools and academies (they are<br>> not comprehensives),<br>
>> whereas, children who behave will go to grammar<br>> school. This is<br>>> Lincolnshire's worst kept secret.<br>> >><br>> >> Back to the public lecture. I had a governor's<br>> meeting on Thursday so had<br>
>> to decide whether to attend the lecture or to<br>> honour my commitments at our<br>>> school. The decision was taken out of my hands.<br>> I had spent the morning in<br>>> school discussing how to improve outcomes for<br>
> children with additional<br>>> needs, but later that day my 12 year old<br>> daughter returned home covered in<br>>> spit. It was in her hair and on her coat. She<br>> was deeply distraught and<br>>> looked as though she felt violated. Grace has<br>
> also had to endure text<br>>> messages from troubled pupils.<br>> >><br>> >> I hate to admit it, but I don't think this would<br>> have happened in a<br>>> grammar school or faith based school. The type<br>
> of school my daughters<br>>> attend is a byproduct of Lincolnshire's<br>> selective system - which, appears<br>>> to be supported by the DfE. This is not to say<br>> teachers don't work bloody<br>
>> hard, but the odds are stacked against them.<br>> Academic selection distorts<br>>> school intakes, lowers self-esteem and<br>> exacerbates austerity.<br>>><br>> >> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a Greek /<br>
> Roman Symposium. To me this<br>>> would further instil snobbery, Plato elitism,<br>> already inherent in<br>>> Lincolnshire education. I want to talk about<br>> real-life social issues with<br>>> people who are able to think<br>
> dialogically.<br>>><br>> >> Alan<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPad<br>> >><br>> >> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks for this Steve.<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks for offering to chair on 20.10 (or 13.10,<br>> if we rationalise - and<br>>> Alan's comment is VERY relevant re: deciding<br>
> such things), and your<br>>> enthusiasm for a SSC Symposium... if I remember<br>> correctly, wine was also<br>>> considered a vital ingredient!<br>> >><br>> >> DM<br>> >><br>
> >> On 30 September 2012 10:08, STEPHEN HOPKINS<br>> <hop<br>> <a href="mailto:kins668@btinternet.com">kins668@btinternet.com</a>>wrote:<br>>><br>> >>> David and All<br>> >>> I will be at the Angel Coffee House on<br>
> Tuesday but not at the business<br>>>> meeting on Wednesday.<br>> >>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd be happy<br>> to take the chair on the 20th<br>>>> October - although I wonder about<br>
> rationalising a little and holding the<br>>>> meeting scheduled for the 20th on the 13th<br>> before/after the workshop if<br>>>> this is going ahead. I'm just conscious of<br>> peoples time.<br>
>>> The idea of a meal sound a great one.<br>> Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a<br>>>> Symposium was a meeting with intellectual<br>> conversation following a meal.<br>>>> Perhaps we need to hold our first Symposium<br>
> !<br>>>> Steve<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> ------------------------------<br>>>> *From:* David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
>>> *To:* ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 September 2012,<br>> 7:26<br>>>><br>> >>> *Subject:* [SSC] A busy week<br>
> ahead.<br>>>><br>> >>> Dear Alan and All,<br>> >>><br>> >>> You will not be surprised to hear that I<br>> would welcome the opportunity to<br>>>> discuss the science, and creative potential,<br>
> of our evolved capacities for<br>>>> social and individual learning... I'll get<br>> the first coffees on Tuesday<br>>>> Alan!<br>> >>><br>> >>> Tuesday: Can all scholars (student and<br>
> teacher) raise their hand if they<br>>>> will be joining us at the Angel Coffee House<br>> at 6.00pm.<br>>>><br>> >>> Wednesday: We have an organisational meeting<br>> at Pathways scheduled to<br>
>>> start at 7.00pm<br>> >>><br>> >>> Proposed agenda<br>> >>><br>> >>> A new model for agenda setting/minute taking<br>> (Zoraida and David)<br>>>> Feedback on Michael's lecture<br>
> (David)<br>>>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel (a student<br>> scholar)<br>>>> Decision making workshop proposal 13.10.2012<br>> (Sara M.)<br>>>> Our Purpose... I propose a meal.<br>> (David)<br>
>>> Website development<br>> >>> Sociological Imagination<br>> >>> Creative Projects (2013)<br>> >>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David and Sarah in<br>> Liverpool)<br>>>><br>
> >>> Please let me have any other items for the<br>> agenda.<br>>>><br>> >>> Thursday<br>> >>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida and Mike for<br>> facilitating this course, I<br>
>>> think we're all excited to see where our<br>> individual - and collective<br>>>> - imagination will lead us... which (kind<br>> of) brings me back to my first<br>>>> point. What sort of society can *we*<br>
> imagine? How can *we* contribute to<br>>>> creating it?<br>> >>><br>> >>> Respectfully yours,<br>> >>><br>> >>> David<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>
> >>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> SSC mailing list<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:SSC@lists.aktivix.org">SSC@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>> >>> <a href="https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc" target="_blank">https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc</a><br>
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> <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>><br>> To: David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>> Cc: ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> <<a href="mailto:C75337A9-571C-4A09-9DE5-BA8B3E0160DA@gmail.com">C75337A9-571C-4A09-9DE5-BA8B3E0160DA@gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain;<br>
> charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> > Hi David,<br>> ><br>> > I agree that individual experiences need to be<br>> addressed separately but wanted to explain the context behind Thursday's<br>
> options and variation in school experiences. The ethos behind Alex Bloom's<br>> school, St George's in the East, could alleviate many of Mablethorpe's<br>> problems but it would take a strong will. Academic selection in our area<br>
> has led to educational apartheid and community division. It's an elephant.<br>> Glad we're on the same page.<br>><br>> > Not sure about communications, particularly email.<br>> It's obviously easier to be in Lincoln. It might help if members could<br>
> exchange phone numbers.<br>><br>> > Best wishes<br>> > Alan<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPad<br>> ><br>> > On 30 Sep 2012, at 20:38, David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> >> Alan,<br>> >><br>> >> What happened to your daughter last Thursday<br>> needs to addressed separately. At present, I am unable to express my<br>> feelings.<br>>><br>> >> I think our communication system has failed us<br>
> again - the meeting scheduled for next Wednesday was agreed on (and posted<br>> to the list, I think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee at the Angel, a pint<br>> in the Jolly Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at my place... it's the<br>
> opportunity for dialogue, not the beverage, that counts.<br>>><br>> >> Apologies about the minutes, but they will be<br>> posted asap.<br>>><br>> >> I do not agree with selection full<br>
> stop.<br>>><br>> >> If you let Steve have your details, I am<br>> confident that your expenses will be covered.<br>>><br>> >> Respectfully yours,<br>> >><br>> >> David<br>
> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt@g<br>> <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> Hi David,<br>
> >>><br>> >>> I have to say that I don't agree with you on<br>> several counts and I know my comments are not at all relevant, if they<br>> were, meetings would be consulted upon before being agreed. This is a<br>
> rehash of in-between meetings from last week. There are no minutes from<br>> Saturday.<br>>>><br>> >>> I agreed to take care of the website on<br>> Thursday only to find out today a meeting is scheduled for Wednesday to<br>
> discuss its development. I'm not sure if I can afford to attend. If I am to<br>> attend I would add communication to the agenda i.e., learning support. Will<br>> work be eligible for travelling expenses?<br>
>>><br>> >>> Another point is - and it was raised at<br>> Michael Fielding's lecture - there is a disparity between community focused<br>> primary schools and market driven higher education. I noted the commentator<br>
> said there were some exceptions to his positive experience with his primary<br>> school, but it didn't go far enough. Purposely so.<br>>>><br>> >>> Michael Fielding was unaware of the<br>> continuation of academic selection as young as 10 years old in<br>
> Lincolnshire. Ok, I could have spoken out, but I was concerned that talk of<br>> discrimination wouldn't bode well with the purpose of SSC. I want to raise<br>> this now.<br>>>><br>> >>> What does one have to do in Lincolnshire to<br>
> become involved in democratic education? I won't join the Labour Party, so<br>> was hoping for scope within SSC.<br>>>><br>> >>> To reiterate, there is no representation for<br>> education on the Lincolnshire coast. CERD supported anti academies in<br>
> Louth, yet appear to have no appetite to discuss rejection by 11+. Why is<br>> this? Furthermore, do you agree that children should be selected on<br>> faith?<br>>>><br>> >>> Just to add some context. From personal<br>
> experience, children on the coastal strip have been told in Y6 that if they<br>> are naughty they will go to our all ability schools and academies (they are<br>> not comprehensives), whereas, children who behave will go to grammar<br>
> school. This is Lincolnshire's worst kept secret.<br>>>><br>> >>> Back to the public lecture. I had a<br>> governor's meeting on Thursday so had to decide whether to attend the<br>> lecture or to honour my commitments at our school. The decision was taken<br>
> out of my hands. I had spent the morning in school discussing how to<br>> improve outcomes for children with additional needs, but later that day my<br>> 12 year old daughter returned home covered in spit. It was in her hair and<br>
> on her coat. She was deeply distraught and looked as though she felt<br>> violated. Grace has also had to endure text messages from troubled<br>> pupils.<br>>>><br>> >>> I hate to admit it, but I don't think this<br>
> would have happened in a grammar school or faith based school. The type of<br>> school my daughters attend is a byproduct of Lincolnshire's selective<br>> system - which, appears to be supported by the DfE. This is not to say<br>
> teachers don't work bloody hard, but the odds are stacked against them.<br>> Academic selection distorts school intakes, lowers self-esteem and<br>> exacerbates austerity.<br>>>><br>> >>> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a Greek<br>
> / Roman Symposium. To me this would further instil snobbery, Plato elitism,<br>> already inherent in Lincolnshire education. I want to talk about real-life<br>> social issues with people who are able to think dialogically.<br>
>>><br>> >>> Alan<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Sent from my iPad<br>> >>><br>> >>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David McAleavey<br>> <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>> >>>> Thanks for this Steve.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Thanks for offering to chair on 20.10<br>> (or 13.10, if we rationalise - and Alan's comment is VERY relevant re:<br>
> deciding such things), and your enthusiasm for a SSC Symposium... if I<br>> remember correctly, wine was also considered a vital<br>> ingredient!<br>>>>><br>> >>>> DM<br>> >>>><br>
> >>>> On 30 September 2012 10:08, STEPHEN<br>> HOPKINS <hop<br>> <a href="mailto:kins668@btinternet.com">kins668@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>> David and All<br>> >>>>> I will be at the Angel Coffee House<br>
> on Tuesday but not at the business meeting on Wednesday.<br>>>>>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd be<br>> happy to take the chair on the 20th October - although I wonder about<br>> rationalising a little and holding the meeting scheduled for the 20th on<br>
> the 13th before/after the workshop if this is going ahead. I'm just<br>> conscious of peoples time.<br>>>>>> The idea of a meal sound a great<br>> one. Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a Symposium was a meeting with<br>
> intellectual conversation following a meal. Perhaps we need to hold our<br>> first Symposium !<br>>>>>> Steve<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> From: David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
>>>>> To: ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012,<br>> 7:26<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Subject: [SSC] A busy week<br>
> ahead.<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Dear Alan and All,<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> You will not be surprised to hear<br>> that I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the science, and creative<br>
> potential, of our evolved capacities for social and individual learning...<br>> I'll get the first coffees on Tuesday Alan!<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Tuesday: Can all scholars (student<br>
> and teacher) raise their hand if they will be joining us at the Angel<br>> Coffee House at 6.00pm.<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Wednesday: We have an organisational<br>> meeting at Pathways scheduled to start at 7.00pm<br>
>>>>><br>> >>>>> Proposed agenda<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> A new model for agenda<br>> setting/minute taking (Zoraida and David)<br>>>>>> Feedback on Michael's lecture<br>
> (David)<br>>>>>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel (a<br>> student scholar)<br>>>>>> Decision making workshop proposal<br>> 13.10.2012 (Sara M.)<br>>>>>> Our Purpose... I propose a meal.<br>
> (David)<br>>>>>> Website development<br>> >>>>> Sociological Imagination<br>> >>>>> Creative Projects (2013)<br>> >>>>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David and<br>
> Sarah in Liverpool)<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Please let me have any other items<br>> for the agenda.<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Thursday<br>> >>>>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida and<br>
> Mike for facilitating this course, I think we're all excited to see where<br>> our individual - and collective - imagination will lead us... which (kind<br>> of) brings me back to my first point. What sort of society can we imagine?<br>
> How can we contribute to creating it?<br>>>>>><br>> >>>>> Respectfully yours,<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> David<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> SSC mailing list<br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:SSC@lists.aktivix.org">SSC@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>> >>>>> <a href="https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc" target="_blank">https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/ssc</a><br>
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><br>><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 22:04:22 +0200<br>> From: <<a href="mailto:sarah@socialsciencecentre.org.uk">sarah@socialsciencecentre.org.uk</a>><br>
To: <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:50425.1349121862@socialsciencecentre.org.uk">50425.1349121862@socialsciencecentre.org.uk</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> Hello all,<br>><br>> Many thanks for pulling all that together, David.<br>><br>> Hi Lisa -- really sorry for any confusion. We need to update the website<br>
> fairly immediately. The Wednesday meeting is a bi-<br>weekly 'organisational' meeting that we've been having regularly for ages;<br>> there are dates for these on the website now that we agreed at<br>the big AGM in the spring. The Social Science Imagination course is running<br>
> on Thursdays from 7-9 p.m. at Pathways Centre on Beaumont Fee,<br>and there will be informal gatherings and workshops available on Tuesdays<br>> or Wednesdays (e.g. one on the 17th on 'new ways of reading<br>newspapers'). There are also some Saturday workshops that are planned.<br>
> We've only just got things really going, and there haven't been any<br>meetings outside meetings, only a short lull in which we don't have anyone<br>> looking after the website as diligently as we had before. I am<br>
trying to finish a huge amount of work this evening for tomorrow, but will<br>> see if I can manage to do something with the online calendar<br>tonight...otherwise, tomorrow, or someone can perhaps beat me to it!<br>><br>
> I agree with Alan that it would be great to get some online discussions<br>> going of some of the texts that people have been recommending.<br>Perhaps we can do that soon.<br>><br>> I will be at Pathways for the Social Science Imagination meeting on<br>
> Thursday. I am teaching on Tuesdays until 6:00 p.m. so will not make all<br>><br>of the informal gatherings. I will try to make the usual Wednesday<br>> meeting.<br>> Hi Jess -- as a matter of fact, I think we do know a couple people working<br>
> in Wales, though not sure whether North or South. Mike, do you<br>remember who it was that we met in Bristol? I will try to recover the<br>> names.<br>> Wanted also to give a heads up and thanks to Megan, who has had some really<br>
> interesting suggestions and who I'd like to chat to soon.<br>> In haste and looking forward to seeing other people on the course on<br>> Thursday.<br>> Best,<br>> Sarah<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Mon 1/10/12 16:05, <a href="mailto:ssc-request@lists.aktivix.org">ssc-request@lists.aktivix.org</a> wrote:<br>
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> access<br>> publisher Social Sciences Directory (Dan<br>> Scott)<br>> 3. Re: SSC Digest, Vol 21, Issue 27<br>> (Ar_Kidda)<br>><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>> > Message: 1<br>> > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:33:28 +0100<br>> > From: Jesse <jess.aga<br>> > <a href="mailto:in@gmail.com">in@gmail.com</a><br>> ><br>To: ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a><br>
> Subject: [SSC] South Wales links?<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> ><br>> <CANUO4HePkLCmdkP5bjMvZPRua71o9+em0i8qKC8JM7E7z_9r=<a href="mailto:A@mail.gmail.com">A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain;<br>
> charset=ISO-8859-1<br>><br>> > Hi all,<br>> ><br>> > I joined this list a while ago because I am very<br>> interested in your<br>> project and have considered variations on the theme<br>> for a couple of<br>
> years now - mainly in the privacy of my own<br>> head!<br>><br>> > I am a Lit. & Cultural Theory PhD student, just<br>> started at Cardiff<br>> University, and would be interested to know if<br>
> anyone in this group<br>> has contacts in S. Wales who might be interested to<br>> start thinking<br>> about a similar Cooperative Education Centre here -<br>> I am new to area<br>> so don't - although I'm working on it!<br>
> ><br>> > I'd also love to hear from anyone who has some good<br>> tips on the kind<br>> of knowledge, people and skills needed to set this<br>> kind of project up,<br>> and how long it took your group to get the point of<br>
> being able to<br>> launch the Centre.<br>> ><br>> > Many thanks in advance,<br>> ><br>> > Jess Farr<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>
> > Message: 2<br>> > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:12:11 +0100<br>> > From: "Dan Scott" <<a href="mailto:dan.scott@socialsciencesdirectory.com">dan.scott@socialsciencesdirectory.com</a>><br>To: <ssc@lis<br>
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> > <a href="http://riseup.net/" target="_blank">riseup.net</a>><br>> To: ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [SSC] SSC Digest, Vol 21, Issue 27<br>
> > Message-ID: <5069BF20.7020<br>> > <a href="mailto:107@riseup.net">107@riseup.net</a><br>> ><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>> ><br>> > On 30/09/2012 22:11, <a href="mailto:ssc-request@lists.aktivix.org">ssc-request@lists.aktivix.org</a> wrote:<br>
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> > than "Re: Contents of SSC digest..."<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Today's Topics:<br>> > ><br>> > > 1. Meeting on Wednesday (Darryl<br>> > Baker)<br>
> > 2. Re: A busy week ahead. (David<br>> > McAleavey)<br>> > 3. Re: A busy week ahead. (Alan<br>> > Gurbutt)<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>> > > Message: 1<br>> > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:57:38<br>> +0100<br>> > From: Darryl Baker <baker<br>> > 402@btinte<br>> <a href="http://rnet.com/" target="_blank">rnet.com</a>><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:SSC@lists.aktivix.org">SSC@lists.aktivix.org</a>"<br>> > <<a href="mailto:SSC@lists.aktivix.org">SSC@lists.aktivix.org</a>><br>> > Subject: [SSC] Meeting on Wednesday<br>
> > > Message-ID:<br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:EADD067C-2B56-4643-AD6A-B4A4701A1F7F@btinternet.com">EADD067C-2B56-4643-AD6A-B4A4701A1F7F@btinternet.com</a>><br>> Content-Type:<br>> > text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>
> ><br>> > > Hi all I wish to convey my apologies for the<br>> next<br>> meeting on Wednesday due to a long standing family<br>> commitment.<br>><br>> > > Darryl<br>> > ><br>> > > Sent from my iPad<br>
> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Message: 2<br>> > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:38:27<br>> +0100<br>> > From: David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
> To: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt@g<br>> > <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>><br>> > Cc: ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.<br>> > > Message-ID:<br>> > ><br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:CADx5COqu8AcFSL9zntD53K+KCtcVe7JMbSWY8V2cH7H4GBvUTg@mail.gmail">CADx5COqu8AcFSL9zntD53K+KCtcVe7JMbSWY8V2cH7H4GBvUTg@mail.gmail</a><br>><br>> .com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain;<br>
> > charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > > Alan,<br>> > ><br>> > > What happened to your daughter last Thursday<br>> needs<br>> to addressed separately.<br>> > At present, I am unable to express my<br>
> > feelings.<br>> ><br>> > > I think our communication system has failed us<br>> again<br>> - the meeting<br>> > scheduled for next Wednesday was agreed on<br>> (and<br>> posted to the list, I<br>
> > think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee at the<br>> Angel,<br>> a pint in the Jolly<br>> > Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at my<br>> place...<br>> it's the opportunity for<br>> > dialogue, not the beverage, that counts.<br>
> > ><br>> > > Apologies about the minutes, but they will be<br>> posted<br>> asap.<br>> ><br>> > > I do not agree with selection full<br>> stop.<br>> ><br>> > > If you let Steve have your details, I am<br>
> confident<br>> that your expenses will<br>> > be covered.<br>> > ><br>> > > Respectfully yours,<br>> > ><br>> > > David<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>
> > > On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt<br>> <agurbutt@g<br>> <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > >> Hi David,<br>> > >><br>
> > >> I have to say that I don't agree with you<br>> on<br>> several counts and I know my<br>> >> comments are not at all relevant, if they<br>> were,<br>> meetings would be consulted<br>
> >> upon before being agreed. This is a rehash<br>> of<br>> in-between meetings from last<br>> >> week. There are no minutes from<br>> > Saturday.<br>> >><br>> > >> I agreed to take care of the website on<br>
> Thursday<br>> only to find out today a<br>> >> meeting is scheduled for Wednesday to<br>> discuss<br>> its development. I'm not sure<br>> >> if I can afford to attend. If I am to attend<br>
> I<br>> would add communication to<br>> >> the agenda i.e., learning support. Will work<br>> be<br>> eligible for travelling<br>> >> expenses?<br>> > >><br>> > >> Another point is - and it was raised at<br>
> Michael<br>> Fielding's lecture - there<br>> >> is a disparity between community focused<br>> primary<br>> schools and market driven<br>> >> higher education. I noted the commentator<br>
> said<br>> there were some exceptions<br>> >> to his positive experience with his<br>> primary<br>> school, but it didn't go far<br>> >> enough. Purposely so.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Michael Fielding was unaware of the<br>
> continuation<br>> of academic selection as<br>> >> young as 10 years old in Lincolnshire. Ok,<br>> I<br>> could have spoken out, but I<br>> >> was concerned that talk of<br>> discrimination<br>
> wouldn't bode well with the<br>> >> purpose of SSC. I want to raise this<br>> > now.<br>> >><br>> > >> What does one have to do in Lincolnshire<br>> to<br>> become involved in democratic<br>
> >> education? I won't join the Labour Party, so<br>> was<br>> hoping for scope within<br>> >> SSC.<br>> > >><br>> > >> To reiterate, there is no representation<br>> for<br>
> education on the Lincolnshire<br>> >> coast. CERD supported anti academies in<br>> Louth,<br>> yet appear to have no<br>> >> appetite to discuss rejection by 11+. Why<br>> is<br>> this? Furthermore, do you<br>
> >> agree that children should be selected<br>> on<br>> faith?<br>> >><br>> > >> Just to add some context. From<br>> personal<br>> experience, children on the<br>> >> coastal strip have been told in Y6 that if<br>
> they<br>> are naughty they will go to<br>> >> our all ability schools and academies (they<br>> are<br>> not comprehensives),<br>> >> whereas, children who behave will go to<br>> grammar<br>
> school. This is<br>> >> Lincolnshire's worst kept secret.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Back to the public lecture. I had a<br>> governor's<br>> meeting on Thursday so had<br>> >> to decide whether to attend the lecture or<br>
> to<br>> honour my commitments at our<br>> >> school. The decision was taken out of my<br>> hands.<br>> I had spent the morning in<br>> >> school discussing how to improve outcomes<br>> for<br>
> children with additional<br>> >> needs, but later that day my 12 year<br>> old<br>> daughter returned home covered in<br>> >> spit. It was in her hair and on her coat.<br>> She<br>> was deeply distraught and<br>
> >> looked as though she felt violated. Grace<br>> has<br>> also had to endure text<br>> >> messages from troubled pupils.<br>> > >><br>> > >> I hate to admit it, but I don't think this<br>
> would<br>> have happened in a<br>> >> grammar school or faith based school. The<br>> type<br>> of school my daughters<br>> >> attend is a byproduct of<br>> Lincolnshire's<br>> selective system - which, appears<br>
> >> to be supported by the DfE. This is not to<br>> say<br>> teachers don't work bloody<br>> >> hard, but the odds are stacked against<br>> them.<br>> Academic selection distorts<br>> >> school intakes, lowers self-esteem<br>
> and<br>> exacerbates austerity.<br>> >><br>> > >> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a Greek<br>> /<br>> Roman Symposium. To me this<br>> >> would further instil snobbery, Plato<br>
> elitism,<br>> already inherent in<br>> >> Lincolnshire education. I want to talk<br>> about<br>> real-life social issues with<br>> >> people who are able to think<br>> > dialogically.<br>
> >><br>> > >> Alan<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> Sent from my iPad<br>> > >><br>> > >> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David McAleavey<br>> <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>> > >><br>> > >> Thanks for this Steve.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Thanks for offering to chair on 20.10 (or<br>> 13.10,<br>> if we rationalise - and<br>
> >> Alan's comment is VERY relevant re:<br>> deciding<br>> such things), and your<br>> >> enthusiasm for a SSC Symposium... if I<br>> remember<br>> correctly, wine was also<br>> >> considered a vital ingredient!<br>
> > >><br>> > >> DM<br>> > >><br>> > >> On 30 September 2012 10:08, STEPHEN<br>> HOPKINS<br>> <hop<br>> > kins66<br>> <a href="mailto:8@btinternet.com">8@btinternet.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>> > >>> David and All<br>> > >>> I will be at the Angel Coffee House<br>> on<br>> Tuesday but not at the business<br>> >>> meeting on Wednesday.<br>> > >>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd be<br>
> happy<br>> to take the chair on the 20th<br>> >>> October - although I wonder<br>> about<br>> rationalising a little and holding the<br>> >>> meeting scheduled for the 20th on the<br>
> 13th<br>> before/after the workshop if<br>> >>> this is going ahead. I'm just conscious<br>> of<br>> peoples time.<br>> >>> The idea of a meal sound a great<br>> one.<br>> Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a<br>
> >>> Symposium was a meeting with<br>> intellectual<br>> conversation following a meal.<br>> >>> Perhaps we need to hold our first<br>> Symposium<br>> !<br>> >>> Steve<br>
> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> >>> *From:* David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
>>> *To:* ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, 30 September<br>> 2012,<br>> 7:26<br>> >>><br>> > >>> *Subject:* [SSC] A busy<br>
> week<br>> ahead.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> Dear Alan and All,<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> You will not be surprised to hear that<br>> I<br>> would welcome the opportunity to<br>
> >>> discuss the science, and creative<br>> potential,<br>> of our evolved capacities for<br>> >>> social and individual learning... I'll<br>> get<br>> the first coffees on Tuesday<br>
> >>> Alan!<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Tuesday: Can all scholars (student<br>> and<br>> teacher) raise their hand if they<br>> >>> will be joining us at the Angel Coffee<br>
> House<br>> at 6.00pm.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> Wednesday: We have an organisational<br>> meeting<br>> at Pathways scheduled to<br>> >>> start at 7.00pm<br>> > >>><br>
> > >>> Proposed agenda<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> A new model for agenda setting/minute<br>> taking<br>> (Zoraida and David)<br>> >>> Feedback on Michael's lecture<br>
> > (David)<br>> >>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel (a<br>> student<br>> scholar)<br>> >>> Decision making workshop proposal<br>> 13.10.2012<br>> (Sara M.)<br>> >>> Our Purpose... I propose a meal.<br>
> > (David)<br>> >>> Website development<br>> > >>> Sociological Imagination<br>> > >>> Creative Projects (2013)<br>> > >>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David and Sarah<br>
> in<br>> Liverpool)<br>> >>><br>> > >>> Please let me have any other items for<br>> the<br>> agenda.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> Thursday<br>> > >>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida and Mike<br>
> for<br>> facilitating this course, I<br>> >>> think we're all excited to see where<br>> our<br>> individual - and collective<br>> >>> - imagination will lead us... which<br>> (kind<br>
> of) brings me back to my first<br>> >>> point. What sort of society can<br>> *we*<br>> imagine? How can *we* contribute to<br>> >>> creating it?<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> Respectfully yours,<br>
> > >>><br>> > >>> David<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> ><br>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> SSC mailing list<br>
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> > From: Alan Gurbutt <agurbutt@g<br>> > <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>><br>> > To: David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
> Cc: ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>> > Subject: Re: [SSC] A busy week ahead.<br>> > > Message-ID:<br>> ><br>> <<a href="mailto:C75337A9-571C-4A09-9DE5-BA8B3E0160DA@gmail.com">C75337A9-571C-4A09-9DE5-BA8B3E0160DA@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain;<br>> > charset="us-ascii"<br>> ><br>> > > Hi David,<br>> > ><br>> > > I agree that individual experiences need to<br>> be<br>> addressed separately but wanted to explain the<br>
> context behind Thursday's<br>> options and variation in school experiences. The<br>> ethos behind Alex Bloom's<br>> school, St George's in the East, could alleviate<br>> many of Mablethorpe's<br>
> problems but it would take a strong will. Academic<br>> selection in our area<br>> has led to educational apartheid and community<br>> division. It's an elephant.<br>> Glad we're on the same page.<br>
> ><br>> > > Not sure about communications, particularly<br>> email.<br>> It's obviously easier to be in Lincoln. It might<br>> help if members could<br>> exchange phone numbers.<br>> ><br>
> > > Best wishes<br>> > > Alan<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Sent from my iPad<br>> > ><br>> > > On 30 Sep 2012, at 20:38, David McAleavey<br>
> <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > >> Alan,<br>> > >><br>> > >> What happened to your daughter last<br>
> Thursday<br>> needs to addressed separately. At present, I am<br>> unable to express my<br>> feelings.<br>> >><br>> > >> I think our communication system has failed<br>> us<br>> again - the meeting scheduled for next Wednesday was<br>
> agreed on (and posted<br>> to the list, I think) at the AGM (I think). A coffee<br>> at the Angel, a pint<br>> in the Jolly Brewer, a glass of wine over dinner at<br>> my place... it's the<br>> opportunity for dialogue, not the beverage, that<br>
> counts.<br>>><br>> > >> Apologies about the minutes, but they will<br>> be<br>> posted asap.<br>> >><br>> > >> I do not agree with selection<br>> full<br>> stop.<br>
> >><br>> > >> If you let Steve have your details, I<br>> am<br>> confident that your expenses will be<br>> covered.<br>>><br>> > >> Respectfully yours,<br>> > >><br>
> > >> David<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> On 30 September 2012 18:46, Alan Gurbutt<br>> <agurbutt@g<br>> <a href="http://mail.com/" target="_blank">mail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>> Hi David,<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> I have to say that I don't agree with<br>> you on<br>> several counts and I know my comments are not at all<br>> relevant, if they<br>
> were, meetings would be consulted upon before being<br>> agreed. This is a<br>> rehash of in-between meetings from last week. There<br>> are no minutes from<br>> Saturday.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> I agreed to take care of the website<br>
> on<br>> Thursday only to find out today a meeting is<br>> scheduled for Wednesday to<br>> discuss its development. I'm not sure if I can<br>> afford to attend. If I am to<br>> attend I would add communication to the agenda i.e.,<br>
> learning support. Will<br>> work be eligible for travelling<br>> expenses?<br>>>><br>> > >>> Another point is - and it was raised<br>> at<br>> Michael Fielding's lecture - there is a disparity<br>
> between community focused<br>> primary schools and market driven higher education.<br>> I noted the commentator<br>> said there were some exceptions to his positive<br>> experience with his primary<br>> school, but it didn't go far enough. Purposely<br>
> so.<br>>>><br>> > >>> Michael Fielding was unaware of<br>> the<br>> continuation of academic selection as young as 10<br>> years old in<br>> Lincolnshire. Ok, I could have spoken out, but I was<br>
> concerned that talk of<br>> discrimination wouldn't bode well with the purpose<br>> of SSC. I want to raise<br>> this now.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> What does one have to do in<br>> Lincolnshire to<br>
> become involved in democratic education? I won't<br>> join the Labour Party, so<br>> was hoping for scope within SSC.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> To reiterate, there is no<br>> representation for<br>
> education on the Lincolnshire coast. CERD supported<br>> anti academies in<br>> Louth, yet appear to have no appetite to discuss<br>> rejection by 11+. Why is<br>> this? Furthermore, do you agree that children should<br>
> be selected on<br>> faith?<br>> >>><br>> > >>> Just to add some context. From<br>> personal<br>> experience, children on the coastal strip have been<br>> told in Y6 that if they<br>
> are naughty they will go to our all ability schools<br>> and academies (they are<br>> not comprehensives), whereas, children who behave<br>> will go to grammar<br>> school. This is Lincolnshire's worst kept<br>
> secret.<br>>>><br>> > >>> Back to the public lecture. I had<br>> a<br>> governor's meeting on Thursday so had to decide<br>> whether to attend the<br>> lecture or to honour my commitments at our school.<br>
> The decision was taken<br>> out of my hands. I had spent the morning in school<br>> discussing how to<br>> improve outcomes for children with additional needs,<br>> but later that day my<br>> 12 year old daughter returned home covered in spit.<br>
> It was in her hair and<br>> on her coat. She was deeply distraught and looked as<br>> though she felt<br>> violated. Grace has also had to endure text messages<br>> from troubled<br>> pupils.<br>> >>><br>
> > >>> I hate to admit it, but I don't think<br>> this<br>> would have happened in a grammar school or faith<br>> based school. The type of<br>> school my daughters attend is a byproduct of<br>
> Lincolnshire's selective<br>> system - which, appears to be supported by the DfE.<br>> This is not to say<br>> teachers don't work bloody hard, but the odds are<br>> stacked against them.<br>> Academic selection distorts school intakes, lowers<br>
> self-esteem and<br>> exacerbates austerity.<br>> >>><br>> > >>> No, I don't want to think of SSC as a<br>> Greek<br>> / Roman Symposium. To me this would further instil<br>> snobbery, Plato elitism,<br>
> already inherent in Lincolnshire education. I want<br>> to talk about real-life<br>> social issues with people who are able to think<br>> dialogically.<br>>>><br>> > >>> Alan<br>> > >>><br>
> > >>><br>> > >>> Sent from my iPad<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:57, David<br>> McAleavey<br>> <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>> > >>>> Thanks for this Steve.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Thanks for offering to chair on<br>> 20.10<br>> (or 13.10, if we rationalise - and Alan's comment is<br>
> VERY relevant re:<br>> deciding such things), and your enthusiasm for a SSC<br>> Symposium... if I<br>> remember correctly, wine was also considered a<br>> vital<br>> ingredient!<br>> >>>><br>
> > >>>> DM<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> On 30 September 2012 10:08,<br>> STEPHEN<br>> HOPKINS <hop<br>> > kins66<br>> <a href="mailto:8@btinternet.com">8@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> David and All<br>> > >>>>> I will be at the Angel Coffee<br>> House<br>> on Tuesday but not at the business meeting on<br>> Wednesday.<br>>>>>> Re the agenda for Wednesday - I'd<br>
> be<br>> happy to take the chair on the 20th October -<br>> although I wonder about<br>> rationalising a little and holding the meeting<br>> scheduled for the 20th on<br>> the 13th before/after the workshop if this is going<br>
> ahead. I'm just<br>> conscious of peoples time.<br>> >>>>> The idea of a meal sound a<br>> great<br>> one. Originally ( Greek and Roman ) a Symposium was<br>> a meeting with<br>> intellectual conversation following a meal. Perhaps<br>
> we need to hold our<br>> first Symposium !<br>> >>>>> Steve<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> From: David McAleavey <<a href="mailto:davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com">davidmcaleavey@virginmedia.com</a>><br>
>>>>> To: ssc <ssc@lis<br>> <a href="http://ts.aktivix.org/" target="_blank">ts.aktivix.org</a>><br>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September<br>> 2012,<br>> 7:26<br>> >>>>><br>
> > >>>>> Subject: [SSC] A busy<br>> week<br>> ahead.<br>> >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Dear Alan and All,<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> You will not be surprised to<br>
> hear<br>> that I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the<br>> science, and creative<br>> potential, of our evolved capacities for social and<br>> individual learning...<br>> I'll get the first coffees on Tuesday<br>
> Alan!<br>>>>>><br>> > >>>>> Tuesday: Can all scholars<br>> (student<br>> and teacher) raise their hand if they will be<br>> joining us at the Angel<br>> Coffee House at 6.00pm.<br>
> >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Wednesday: We have an<br>> organisational<br>> meeting at Pathways scheduled to start at<br>> 7.00pm<br>>>>>><br>> > >>>>> Proposed agenda<br>
> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> A new model for<br>> agenda<br>> setting/minute taking (Zoraida and<br>> David)<br>>>>>> Feedback on Michael's<br>> lecture<br>
> (David)<br>> >>>>> Feedback on 2nd October Angel<br>> (a<br>> student scholar)<br>> >>>>> Decision making workshop<br>> proposal<br>> 13.10.2012 (Sara M.)<br>> >>>>> Our Purpose... I propose a<br>
> meal.<br>> (David)<br>> >>>>> Website development<br>> > >>>>> Sociological<br>> Imagination<br>> >>>>> Creative Projects<br>> (2013)<br>> >>>>> A chair for 20.10.12 (David<br>
> and<br>> Sarah in Liverpool)<br>> >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Please let me have any other<br>> items<br>> for the agenda.<br>> >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Thursday<br>
> > >>>>> Thanks again to Sarah, Zoraida<br>> and<br>> Mike for facilitating this course, I think we're all<br>> excited to see where<br>> our individual - and collective - imagination will<br>
> lead us... which (kind<br>> of) brings me back to my first point. What sort of<br>> society can we imagine?<br>> How can we contribute to creating it?<br>> >>>>><br>> > >>>>> Respectfully yours,<br>
> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> David<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>><br>> ><br>> _______________________________________________<br>
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> > > ***********************************<br>> > Dear all,<br>> ><br>> > As some of you know, I've only recently joined the<br>> SCC and at the moment<br>><br>> I am very confused indeed.<br>
> ><br>> > According to the SSC Website, the meetings this week<br>> are on Wednesday<br>> (Pathways). However, this mailing list mentions<br>> meetings on Tuesdays,<br>> Wednesdays and Thursdays of this week. I can only<br>
> attend one of these,<br>><br>> so can anyone elaborate on what these meetings are for?<br>> ><br>> > Many thanks,<br>> > Lisa White<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>
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