[ssf] Re: Why SWP undermined social forums?

[@mp]

Dear Chris, if we disentangle the ironical statements:

what do you mean? Of course we should suggest a solution other than
oscillatory two party politics, especially when dear new labour and Mr.
Blunkett are already on the right. There is only right for this country
unless we change the electoral system.
If the SWP agrees to struggle for such a change in politics, it shows
some intelligence indeed, imho.

But now i am more optimistic because it seems that SWP are not a homogenous
bundle: the Scottish Socialist MPs (three women) who protested and were 
suspended of
salary were showing some real opposition; Workers Party seem to split
also and move towards left... at least in Cardiff.

Were you not a confessed capitalist by the way, in favour of capitalism
here and abroad?

(I don't mean it to make you angry: do you think that something like
anarcho-capitalism might exist?)

amp

> Lets focus on breaking the Blair government, that way if we're really
>  lucky we'll get the Tories back in. Any attempt to have an 
> intelligent political dialogue which could suggest a solution other 
> than oscillatory two party politics is a swing to the right. Love the
>  SWP.






Chris Malins wrote:

> Lets focus on breaking the Blair government, that way if we're really
>  lucky we'll get the Tories back in. Any attempt to have an 
> intelligent political dialogue which could suggest a solution other 
> than oscillatory two party politics is a swing to the right. Love the
>  SWP.
> 
> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Hey up,
>> 
>> Just got forwarded this little snippet from the Conference 
>> proceedings of 2004 SWP annual conference. As usual, I really can't
>>  quite believe anyone would be so stupid. Sectarian? Oh yeah -
>> we're sectarian if we don't do what the SWP thinks is right - I
>> forget. Bloody hell - I try to get over it and just chill out, then
>> I read something like this! AAAUGH!
>> 
>> “Because of the presence revolutionary socialists in the leadership
>>  of the Stop the War Coalition, the anti-war movement has come to 
>> occupy the radical space occupied in France by ATTAC or in Italy by
>>  the social forums and, later, the anti-war movement.
>> 
>> "This is why attempts by the sectarian left to supplant the Stop 
>> the War Coalition by social forums have failed and deserve to fail.
>>  Such attempts, portrayed as a programmatic shift to left (because 
>> social forums raise issues of economic exploitation as well as 
>> war), would in practice be a move to the right because they 
>> undermine the attempt to break the Blair government over the issue 
>> on which it is most vulnerable.”
>> 
>> http://www.swp.org.uk/resources/Conference2004.pdf
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
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