[AktiviX] esf and imc-uk

mp mp at fsc.cc
Sat Dec 20 22:39:14 UTC 2003


hi all,

an interesting perspective from an indymedia list.............

it is about Indymedia involvement and ideas for an Independent Media Centre
(IMC) during the European Social Forum....

...................... another aktivix?

;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "yossarian" <yossarian1936 at speedymail.org>
To: <Imc-uk-process at lists.indymedia.org>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:18 PM
Subject: [Imc-uk-process] esf and imc-uk


the suggestion that we do both the corporate media
> center and the imc media center could have a lot of benefits for us and
> others, while exposing us to very little risk of recuperation, if it was
> approached correctly.    We could use recycled computers as terminals,
> bringing us into contact with people who are doing computer-recycling
> projects in the UK and in Europe.  We could use Free Software, and try to
> use that approach to build bridges with radical geek organizations, who
> share some of our concerns about communications rights.  This would
> expose the mainstream media to Free Software, strengthening that movement
> and providing an awareness to hundreds of journalists that voluntary
> organizations like the Debian project have built an operating system that
> is a real alternative / threat to the corporate OS's.  The proximity of
> an active independent media centre would also have a positive effect on
> corporate media coverage, as they start to realize that we exist, that
> people are participating in our vision of the media, and that many people
> are listening to us all over the world.  It is even possible that some
> otherwise worthless, cynical, alcoholic sell-out of a corporate
> journalist might temporarily recover some glimmer of youthful optimism
> and write something good.
>
> To avoid being used, we could set up the media centres as paid
> professionals, but pitch it to the main ESF structure that we could do it
> better, cheaper, and in a political manner that is much more consonant
> with the stated goals of the Social Forum process than any other
> organization.  A pitch like this would give the "democratise-the-esf"
> crew a political issue to bite into, one they could win on its merits,
> thus advancing the anti-authoritarian agenda more generally.
>
> I am not saying we should or shouldn't do this, I am simply speculating
> about the worth of taking on specific projects.  There are probably other
> things we could do, this is just one.  I think that in the above example
> there is very little room for us to be "used", "recuperated", etc., in
> fact I think that the reverse is probably more the case.  I also think
> that the support of much of the membership of the authoritarian leftist
> parties is actually quite soft, and that many of the more intelligent /
> well-meaning people among them are wide open to our ideas (if presented
> well).  In fact, I think that people who worry about us being recuperated
> by the Leninists and NGOs may be looking at this issue from only one
> side:  perhaps we should also think about how WE can recuperate THEM to
> our ideas (here I am talking not of the leadership or the paper-selling
> robots, but of the many members of the rank-and-file of these
> organizations who simply don't know that there are alternatives).
>
> That's enough for now, still thinking about all of this,
>
> Yossarian
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> ******
>
> "This intercontinental network of resistance, recognizing differences and
> acknowledging similarities, will strive to find itself in other
> resistances around the world. This intercontinental network of resistance
> will be the medium in which distinct resistances may support one another.
> This intercontinental network of resistance is not an organizing
> structure; it has no central head or decision maker; it has no central
> command or hierarchies. We are the network, all of us who resist."
>
> --Second Declaration of La Realidad for Humanity and Against
> Neoliberalism
>
> Looking forward to 10 more years of Zapatismo...
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/EzL10
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