[AktiviX-discuss] [OT] can anyone help with a domain registration problem?

Paul M tallpaul at ml1.net
Tue Jan 29 09:57:40 UTC 2008

On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 22:57 +0000, andy baxter wrote:
> hello,
> This isn't an aktivix question, but I thought someone on this list might 
> have a clue how to solve my problem. I just registered a domain name 
> (tikvanet.org) and ordered a web hosting package from a canadian company 
> called dayanahost.com. So far everything has worked OK, but I have since 
> found out that dayanahost.com contract out their proxy domain 
> registration service to a company called DomainsByProxy, who look like 
> they have a pretty bad record. 
> Firstly, they register the domain in 
> their own name, 

Its the only way its possible to keep your name off it.

> and don't make it clear when you register with them that 
> it belongs to them and not to you.

I'm not sure this is true. It's the first thing they mention in their

>  So if I want to stop using them, they 
> may get to keep the domain name.

the FAQ also has instructions on how to transfer your domain to another

>  Secondly, the reason I went for them in 
> the first place was to keep my name and address off the public whois 
> register, and it looks like they are not even very good at doing this - 
> they have a record of giving out details to anyone who sends them a 
> threatening letter, without even warning you what they have done.

Proxy domain records are not meant as a get out of jail card, more as a
way of shielding private addresses and stopping spam/junk mail. You are
going to find it very hard, if not impossible to find someone who won't
do this.

> Obviously this is my own fault, as I should have investigated things a 
> bit better before I signed up for this, but does anyone on the list know:

> b) what's the best way to approach DomainsByProxy to get my domain name 
> back off them? 

see link above

> c) Are proxy domain registrators worth having anyway, or is it better to 
> have your name on whois and have done with it? 

For what its worth I use my home address and personal email for my
private domains and I receive maybe 1 piece of junk mail a year from
this. Its difficult to judge the amount of spam but its no more than
other accounts I don't use for this.

I can see the need for individuals to keep their private addresses off
the registrar but as a working mail/network admin if anything I'm in
favour of a stricter situation than at present with verified contact
details needed to keep a domain.

This stuff can prove very useful. I've used whois details more than once
to get hacked servers being used for credit card fraud shutdown by
contacting domain owners/tech contacts who had no idea it was going

> I'm not thinking of using 
> this domain for anything that controversial at the moment, but I don't 
> want anyone who knows my email address for example to also know my 
> postal address.

I think something like the Dynadot service -- essentially a
mail/email/phone forwarding service -- provides a useful compromise.

Paul M 

> andy baxter
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