[Campaignforrealdemocracy] P Square, 5 p.m. Nelson Mandela corner

Wed Aug 10 09:06:04 UTC 2011

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On 10 August 2011 09:11, Elizabeth Power <power1931 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> We will be meeting at Parliament Square 5 p.m., then some of us will be
> heading to this event in Deptford/New Cross. Welcome to join up if you want
> to go together. There is a fairly long march and an assembly called.
>
>
> http://www.peoplesassemblies.org/2011/08/peoples-assembly-in-deptford-march-wed-10th/
>
> Camilla
>
> On 9 August 2011 23:26, Elizabeth Power <power1931 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Victor
>>
>> I perfectly understand.
>>
>> Some of us will definitely be meeting at P Square, 5 p.m. at nelson
>> mandela corner, where we can simply meet and discuss till around 6.30/7ish.
>>
>> Any of the 15M assembly people who'd like to come are also welcome, and
>> then people who want can go over to your one at RFH too.
>>
>> Camilla
>>
>> 2011/8/9 Víctor Olmos García <vicolm5 at hotmail.com>
>>
>>>  It´s more a matter of organisation than enthusiasm or insecurity. I
>>> thought you were asking for the 15M assembly to be moved, and it´s just too
>>> short notice. If it´s some other sort of meeting/protest, that´s fine. I
>>> don´t see too much trouble taking place in parliament square anyway, not the
>>> most deprived of boroughs in London. It was also discussed and agreed as
>>> location in the last meeting we had on Saturday, so, as Veronica pointed
>>> out, it´d be a bit difficult to change. Your point about going back home at
>>> night is a valid one though, but, as I said, it´s just not be adequate to
>>> change it at such short notice.
>>>
>>> For the 15M, the assembly at the Spanish embassy would be a more obvious
>>> meeting location in terms of symbolism; the thing about London is that it
>>> rains, frequently, sometimes unexpectedly, so the RFH was a more practical
>>> option (interim as everything is and by no means unchangeable) at the time.
>>> That time was sadly the beggining of the summer.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:37:41 +0100
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy] Wed Assembly
>>> From: power1931 at googlemail.com
>>> To: hugocologico at gmail.com
>>> CC: strikersassembly at googlegroups.com; sshummo at hotmail.com;
>>> democracyvillage at googlegroups.com;
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com;
>>> campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org
>>>
>>>
>>> If there is not enthusiasm for trying to assemble on P Square, then I
>>> will not call it...but a message has gone out from Phoenix I believe (or via
>>> Phoenix), so some people may go to the Square. I do not know who decided on
>>> that.
>>>
>>> My thought was that this is a good time to be bold and central in a
>>> lawful and peaceful way, plus the police are far too busy! Plus we should
>>> show political will to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the government that
>>> is hated and detested. People who feel insecure about coming there, I
>>> understand. but I think there is no difference in risk between being at P Sq
>>> (from 5ish to 7) compared to the 15M situation at RFH (which s proposed for
>>> later in the evening and therefore people would be going back after dark,
>>> which is riskier). As usual, P Sq has far more symbolic resonance, whereas
>>> the point of coming to Festival Hall is less obvious.
>>>
>>> I have not messaged out the facebook groups at this stage, and do not see
>>> anyone has. There seems too much confusion. WE may go to the square to
>>> discuss the situation with whoever turns up, and work out a better plan.
>>>
>>> On 9 August 2011 17:54, Hugo de Armas Estevez <hugocologico at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> I am agree with Victor. We can talk about the situation much better at
>>> the Royal Festival Hall. It is a quiet, safe and well connected place to
>>> meet. Maybe, we may talk to do something this weekend in
>>> any affected borough, if we'd have a "safety place" to do it of course.
>>>
>>> We have to be very cautious, with 16000 police force in London, the
>>> capital looks more a second world war city than the XXI London. The
>>> situation is out of control, so this is a fantastic excuse for any
>>> government to do whatever.
>>>
>>> See you tomorrow
>>>
>>> Hugo
>>> 2011/8/9 Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
>>>
>>> I heard some people are calling a People's Assembly for tomorrow in
>>> Parliament Square, for 5pm ? Pls confirm where this will take place as the
>>> fences are still up as far as I know. Also, fyi: the next (weekly)
>>> Spanish Revolution 15M London assembly will be on Wednesday, 7.30 at the
>>> Royal Festival Hall, 4th floor, blue zone.
>>>
>>> On 9 August 2011 15:35, Sammy Shummo <sshummo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Parliament Square sounds great. What time?
>>> Sammy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elizabeth Power <power1931 at googlemail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:28:59
>>> To: <strikersassembly at googlegroups.com>
>>> Cc: <democracyvillage at googlegroups.com>; <
>>> campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org>; <
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy] Wed Assembly
>>>
>>> HI
>>>
>>>
>>> what do people think of taking Assembly to Parliament Square this Weds,
>>> tomorrow?
>>>
>>>
>>> Camilla
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 August 2011 01:07, Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com<mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com> > wrote:
>>>  PS this looks like becoming a trend. could be a great way to get 15m
>>> going in london: "Start something! Get Twitter to bring sensible people to
>>> affected areas on, say, Thursday. Call it #riotcleanup <
>>> http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23riotcleanup> "
>>>
>>>
>>> let's get it trending ..
>>>
>>> love
>>> mark
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 9 August 2011 00:26, <marknbarrett at googlemail.com <mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com> > wrote:
>>>  Hi Hugo! Agree with you and Andy - would be great to discuss. I'd
>>> propose as possibilities for discussion 1 convening an end of aug open
>>> planning meeting to prepare for oct 15 mobilisation 2 campaigning for local
>>> assemblies in context / response to riots and 3 preparing a flier for oct 15
>>> across london. Just a few ideas what do others think ? Love Mark
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> From:  Hugo de Armas Estevez <hugocologico at gmail.com <mailto:
>>> hugocologico at gmail.com> >
>>> Sender:  trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:38:54 +0100
>>> To: <trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com> >
>>> ReplyTo:  trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Re : Fwd: Today's Assembly
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes that's a fantastic movement! We have to go straight ahead to
>>> Tottenham, Maybe we have to discuss this in the next assembly this Wednesday
>>> in the 15M assembly.
>>>
>>> See you around
>>>
>>> Hugo
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/8/8 pilar . <pcano78 at hotmail.com <mailto:pcano78 at hotmail.com> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant guys! well done. I am glad you went to Tottenham, would have
>>> loved to be there but unfortunately I am in Barcelona.
>>>
>>> Lots of love and carry on!
>>>
>>> pilar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>  Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 03:24:39 -0700
>>> From: bastosjuliaborges at yahoo.com.br <mailto:
>>> bastosjuliaborges at yahoo.com.br>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Re : Fwd: Today's Assembly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To: trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> This experience was really important! Congratulations to everbody. I
>>> agree with Mark, the local contacts are necessary to the comunite start
>>> organize and tothenam can be a good place for the local assembly, let me
>>> know what do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See you,
>>>
>>> Júlia Borges
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/08/2011, at 23:52, marknbarrett at googlemail.com <mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sofia - we had a good experience in Tottenham today, and we hope to
>>> review what happened and discuss next steps here very soon. In brief, our
>>> low key assembly was joined by quite a few people from the local area, and
>>> for a while a good discussion took place. Contacts were made, and I think
>>> the plan is to return to the area very soon, more later Love and Solidarity
>>> - onwards the 15M! Mark
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> From: sofia sofia <sofiazissi at hotmail.com <mailto:sofiazissi at hotmail.com>
>>> >
>>> Sender: trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 20:03:39 +0000
>>> To: <trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com> >
>>> ReplyTo: trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Re : Fwd: Today's Assembly
>>>
>>>
>>> I see you guys went to Tottenham... Please let us know what you decided
>>> for next meeting!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>  Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:43:50 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: Re : Fwd: Today's Assembly
>>> From:  <mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com> marknbarrett at googlemail.com<mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
>>>  To:  <mailto:trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes i think we can't move the assembly but some of us are going to meet
>>> at seven sisters tube and go talk to people, maybe they would like to  set
>>> up an assembly there in the future (as you suggest) and/or start a
>>> mobilisation for oct15th.
>>>
>>> anyway, let's see what happens....
>>>
>>> love and soldarity
>>>
>>> mark
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 7 August 2011 13:39, sofia sofia < <mailto:sofiazissi at hotmail.com>
>>> sofiazissi at hotmail.com <mailto:sofiazissi at hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> this is great but the assembly ppl need to know and respond to this email
>>> to make sure they are aware and agree
>>>
>>>
>>> Trafalgar would be better for me as i work near there every weekend , but
>>> since i can come for 1 hour only... i dont matter much...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>  Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:30:49 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: Re : Fwd: Today's Assembly
>>> From:  <mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com> marknbarrett at googlemail.com<mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
>>>  To:  <mailto:strikersassembly at googlegroups.com>
>>> strikersassembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> strikersassembly at googlegroups.com> ;  <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com> ;  <mailto:
>>> democracyvillage at googlegroups.com> democracyvillage at googlegroups.com<mailto:
>>> democracyvillage at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK so the idea is to go together to meet and talk with people and maybe
>>> call a street meeting.
>>>
>>> It's really easy to get to being a few mins walk from Seven Sisters tube.
>>> We will be meeting at 6pm at Seven Sisters tube exit (not the mainline train
>>> exit, which is round the corner).
>>>
>>> Maybe we can give an organised space for people to air their views and to
>>> share some of what has been going on in Spain, Greece and Israel (camps on
>>> the streets and popular assemblies).
>>> Please let people you know who might be interested, especially anyone
>>> living locally.
>>>   On 7 August 2011 13:23, Andy Paice < <mailto:andypaice at yahoo.fr>
>>> andypaice at yahoo.fr <mailto:andypaice at yahoo.fr> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  I wholeheartedly agree!
>>> I think we should join with others to go to the area and at least discuss
>>> betwen ourselves if there is a possibility of setting something up there.
>>> "A riot is the language of the unheard" - Martin Luther King
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> --- En date de : Dim 7.8.11, Mark Barrett < <mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com> marknbarrett at googlemail.com <mailto:
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com> > a écrit :
>>>
>>> De: Mark Barrett < <mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com <mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com> >
>>>
>>>  Objet: Fwd: Today's Assembly
>>> À: "strikersassembly" < <mailto:strikersassembly at googlegroups.com>
>>> strikersassembly at googlegroups.com <mailto:
>>> strikersassembly at googlegroups.com> >
>>>
>>>  Date: Dimanche 7 août 2011, 13h43
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone I've just spoken with Glyn who's in Tottenham now at the
>>> scene of last night's disturbances. The whole area is presently closed to
>>> traffic which makes it an excellent place for a street meeting, a local
>>> assembly if you like and obviously everyone there is talking about what has
>>> happened. It's really easy to get to being a few mins walk from Seven
>>> Sisters tube. I propose to call an assembly there for 6pm tonight and I have
>>> asked that the planned sunday assembly (whose topic of discussion today was
>>> setting up local london assemblies) gets moved up there from the  Royal
>>> Festival Hall / Trafalgar. What do people think - whose  up for it ? Mark
>>>
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