[Campaignforrealdemocracy] [project2012] Re: Update from Assembly Re: Fwd: [politicsandspiritnetwork] occupylsx: Saturday 22nd October: One-Week Birthday Celeberation
marknbarrett at googlemail.com
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Fri Oct 21 18:09:24 UTC 2011
In case u missed from Paul Feldman; 'Assembly at St Paul's decides to stay. Church claims on H&E unfounded. OLSX will appeal to CofE tops. Eviction needs court order. '
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From: Justin Baidoo-Hackman <justin.baidoo at yahoo.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:59:44
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Subject: [project2012] Re: Update from Assembly Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy]
Fwd: [politicsandspiritnetwork] occupylsx: Saturday 22nd October: One-Week
Birthday Celeberation
Anyways,
Here are a few thoughts from me.
1. I think it is a bad idea to stay, though defying the church would be
great. It wouldn't be productive and empower the police to legitimately
destroy the camp. We should be avoiding physical confrontation, not at all
costs but to a reasonable degree.
2. No public announcement of a new location until after it has been
occupied.
3. The new occupation target should be taken through lots of small
affinity groups, this may be hard to establish but there should be some
trusted networks in place.
4. An official "temporary disbanding" may make it more difficult for
police to counter the next action/occupation
5. Possible locations:
1. *Paternoster Square*. + Key target, - Heavily guarded and prepared for
occupation attempts
2. *Parliament Square*. + Good location, - seems to appeal to
Parliament for answers, been done before... get mixed up with Peace Camp
crowd
3. *Trafalgar Square*. + Good location, - tenuous link and will get
cleared for other events
4. *Hyde Park*/*Green Park/Buckingham Palace Gardens* or other nearby
public parks, + Open spaces, hard to clear, - tenuous link and private
property argument applies, also hard to determine which part
5. *Monument/Bank* + Great location, - disrupts city workers, easily
congested, not much public space...
Guess which one is my favourite?
In solidarity
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Justin Baidoo
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On 21 October 2011 16:36, jmg <javier.mgbmav at gmail.com> wrote:
> In what sense inevitable? These are just dirty tricks by the 1%. Javie
>
>
>
> El 21 Oct 2011, a las 16:30, Alison Banville <alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk>
> escribió:
>
> yep, it was inevitable, I still amazes me the naivety of some people, it
> was sensible to anticipate this for the long-term health of the occupation
>
> *From:* Justin Baidoo-Hackman <justin.baidoo at yahoo.co.uk>
> *To:* jmg <javier.mgbmav at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com" <
> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com>; Robin Smith <
> robinsmith3 at gmail.com>; Alison Banville <alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk>; "
> campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org" <
> campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org>; "project2012 at googlegroups.com"
> <project2012 at googlegroups.com>; "democracyvillage at googlegroups.com" <
> democracyvillage at googlegroups.com>; "peopleincommon at lists.riseup.net" <
> peopleincommon at lists.riseup.net>; "
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> *Sent:* Friday, 21 October 2011, 15:29
> *Subject:* Re: Update from Assembly Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy] Fwd:
> [politicsandspiritnetwork] occupylsx: Saturday 22nd October: One-Week
> Birthday Celeberation
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hate to say I told you so but:
> http://www.stpauls.co.uk/News-Press/Latest-News/Statement-from-the-Dean-of-St-Pauls-21-October
>
> We need to get as many people down tonight as possible as the Police will
> be ready to "clean" the streets.
>
> In solidarity
>
> Justin
>
> On 21 October 2011 15:10, jmg <javier.mgbmav at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It seems the good news have been short lived and St Paul's is now closing
> and asking the Indignes to leave. Any confirmation from someone at the camp?
> Javier
>
>
>
> El 20 Oct 2011, a las 21:35, marknbarrett at googlemail.com escribió:
>
> Cheers Javier ! "We discussed this at the Assembly today and there was
> no confirmation that this is a serious threat from whoever has been
> communicating with St Pauls people. In fact, they mentioned that revenue was
> higher than expected for this time of the year. There are some concerns
> regarding health and safety that might be used against us at some point.
> Javier"
> *From: *Robin Smith <robinsmith3 at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:19:29 +0100
> *To: *Alison Banville<alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Cc: *campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org<
> campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org>; Justin Baidoo-Hackman<
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> peopleincommon at lists.riseup.net>; Mark Barrett<marknbarrett at googlemail.com>;
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> *Subject: *Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy] Fwd: [politicsandspiritnetwork]
> occupylsx: Saturday 22nd October: One-Week Birthday Celeberation
>
> Are we going to build up LSX. Or knock them down?
> LSX asks why are the people not being represented and why the robbers are.
> The protest is doing extremely well in making that question abundantly
> clear to the people already
> I can tell because I have spoken to 500 passers by in the past few days.
> These are mainstream folks, bankers, biz people, mudke classes on tge margin
> of poverty, who are saying 'YES, why is this?'
> Im astonished its still going and growing strongly. The major problem today
> is that we are running out of land for tents ironically.
> I detect jealousy in the responses here. Lets build them up instead.
> On 20 Oct 2011 20:50, "Alison Banville" <alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Totally agree, I tweeted the occupylsx account earlier asking what the
> ideas were for the eventuality of St Paul's largesse running out - which
> will be soon. There has to be a plan that, as Justin says, does not rely on
> being tolerated or patronised by influemtial institutions. This is urgent!
>
> *From:* Justin Baidoo-Hackman <justin.baidoo at yahoo.co.uk>
> *To:* Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
> *Cc:* civilisation at lists.riseup.net; peopleincommon at lists.riseup.net;
> campaignagainstfeesandcuts at googlegroups.com;
> democracyvillage at googlegroups.com; project2012 at googlegroups.com;
> campaignforrealdemocracy at lists.aktivix.org;
> trafalgar-square-assembly at googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 October 2011, 19:32
> *Subject:* Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy] Fwd: [politicsandspiritnetwork]
> occupylsx: Saturday 22nd October: One-Week Birthday Celeberation
>
> Hi Mark and all,
> I think it is fantastic that OccupyLSX has been able to maintain itself for
> almost a week now.
> However there are troubling signs on the horizon, St Paul's cathedral is
> private property that is being occupied. The dean initially welcomed the
> protest but has already shared concerns about the site growing and how it
> has resulted in a loss of revenue for them. Some activists I have been told
> has advocated subsidising their loss of revenue, I think that idea is not
> only absurd but also incredibly naive. We cannot rely on the patronage of
> the Catholic church to sustain our movement neither should we subsidise them
> out of a misplaced notion of gratitude.
> We need to find alternative sites including Paternoster Square, we should
> not look to be tolerated, we should demand legitimacy.
> Until we have found sustainable and permanent ground to camp on, I fear
> planning celebrations is a bit premature.
> In solidarity
> Justin
> On 20 Oct 2011 13:52, "Mark Barrett" <marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Occupy the London Stock Exchange
>
> <http://occupylsx.org/>http://occupylsx.org/
>
> The Occupation by St Pauls Catherdal, in the heart of The City, is still
> going strong. The occupation has spent the week structurally,
> logistically and politcally finding it's feet. Already there is a 24-hour
> kitchen running; 'Tent City University' running lectures and workshops;
> 'Star-books Library'; A welcome team at the Info Tent; Working Groups from
> Outreach and Arts to Recycling and Media; and a General Assembly each
> evening at 7pm to discuss politics, why we're here and what we should do.
> The whole process forms a big experiment in Self-organising and Democracy,
> which has (at least so far!) been empowering, exciting and engaging for
> the masses. Everyone welcome to join!
>
> Come down for an hour or a week; come to a workshops, an assembly or to a
> music jam, everone welcome, we are the 99%
>
> There has already been a statement agreed on by the General Assembly.
> See here: <http://occupylsx.org/?p=221>http://occupylsx.org/?p=221
>
>
> *Saturday 22nd October: One-Week Birthday Celeberation!*
>
> There will be a one-week birthday celebration on Saturday which will see
> all kinds of activities from political engagement to comedy and
> entertainment. More information to follow.
>
> __._,_.___
>
>
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Justin Baidoo
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/justinthelibsoc
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