[Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big green gatherin

[Ben Hart]

Sweet.

Well done guys!




2009/2/16 James Holland <james at dogmanet.org>

> brilliant work!
>
> also i sent the APE application for the space in today
>
>   On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM, marina pepper <votepepper at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Done form. Am posting by tomorrow AM. Have left out stuff about vans, cars
>> etc. Gone for 20 crew (including speakers).
>>
>> JUST NEED OUR ANNUAL TURNOVER.
>>
>> M
>> xxx
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 16/2/09, Ben Hart <benhart33 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Ben Hart <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big
>> green gathering
>> > To: cc-festivalsandfundraising at lists.aktivix.org
>> > Date: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 1:42 PM
>> > Agree to all of these points. Do we know what the deadline
>> > is? Marina- can
>> > we have an update please?
>> >
>> > 2009/2/14 <wildwoodsman at riseup.net>
>> >
>> > > Hi All!
>> > >
>> > > Just back on the email loop.. so to chip in: I'm
>> > definitely up for
>> > > organising nvda training at bgg. I think it would be
>> > good to keep the
>> > > focus of this on the more experiential/practical side
>> > of things - so
>> > > possibilities might be lock-ons (d-locks & tubes),
>> > tripods, blockades
>> > > showing how to do it & maybe including role-plays
>> > so people get to have a
>> > > go in a fun way too! If anyone's got more ideas or
>> > things they think would
>> > > appeal to the festival going peeps I'd love to
>> > hear them!
>> > > Also as far as the whole bgg set up... I agree with
>> > whats been said so far:
>> > > vegan cafe
>> > > space for people to hang
>> > out/discussions/workshops/talks etc
>> > > we could have open-mic/music etc later on
>> > > I personally would be keen to get a bicycle cinema
>> > going as this could be
>> > > a good way to raise awareness of the wider
>> > issues/campaigns etc. For
>> > > example we could show things like the rossport 2008
>> > film, on the verge,
>> > > and longer films like age of stupid, an inconvenient
>> > truth etc. this could
>> > > be like a chill out type space where people can hang
>> > out with films etc
>> > > showing on one wall... people can come & go..
>> > wouldn't need to be like a
>> > > formal cinema with times for showings etc (although we
>> > could do that too).
>> > > Do we know when the deadline is for the bgg form?
>> > > Also have we got a definitive list of the festivals we
>> > are going to? It
>> > > would be good to thrash this out & maybe try and
>> > get an article or some
>> > > promo stuff (for free obviously!) in things like
>> > festival eye and in the
>> > > guides to festivals that newspapers do etc. to
>> > generate some interest & it
>> > > would be good publicity for climate camp generally
>> > too!
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Neil
>> > >
>> > > > Hello Marina.
>> > > >
>> > > > How's this going? Not to be really pushy but
>> > I think it's very important
>> > > > to
>> > > > get it done asap. I'm not sure how many
>> > people are on this list- is it
>> > > > worth
>> > > > sending it to a bigger list- e.g. networking?
>> > > > * *
>> > > > *Still not sure of numbers as I have no idea who
>> > is good, who is strong,
>> > > > who
>> > > > can multi task and who is disciplined and will
>> > stay put rather than
>> > > wonder
>> > > > off.*
>> > > > I think it's best to work out exactly what we
>> > think needs to be done man
>> > > > hour wise and then err on the side of caution.
>> > Although the camp may have
>> > > > worked with people chipping in, a lot of work did
>> > fall to a few people
>> > > who
>> > > > would take things on. I think it's fairer to
>> > draw up a rota- make sure
>> > > > everyone chips in, rather than expecting people
>> > just not to bother.
>> > > >
>> > > > Can we see the form? What exactly is needed- can
>> > we give in a rough idea
>> > > > and
>> > > > flesh it out nearer the time?
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > >
>> > > > Ben.
>> > > >
>> > > > 2009/2/12 Ben Hart
>> > <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
>> > > >
>> > > >> Yep. The LCS is doing it's own thing and
>> > won't be donating to Camp as
>> > > >> it's
>> > > >> focusing on smaller, local projects. I think
>> > therefore that the vegan
>> > > >> cafe
>> > > >> would be the best idea.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 2009/2/12 james holland
>> > <james at dogmanet.org>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  the reason i'm keen on these luxuries is
>> > that it counteracts the oft
>> > > >>> repeated criticism that a sustainable
>> > life is a miserable one where
>> > > >>> we'll
>> > > >>> have to do without things - in fact
>> > it'll be better
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> but of course keep it doable - i think
>> > training and inspiration is
>> > > >>> perhaps
>> > > >>> more important and less of a practical
>> > challenge - i think neil is keen
>> > > >>> on
>> > > >>> arranging training?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> i think LCS are doing something anyway,
>> > and this will be separate /
>> > > >>> extra?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> CC style food is perhaps another good
>> > profit option as it is a key
>> > > >>> feature
>> > > >>> of the camp as well? plus badges and t
>> > shirts..
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> i'm def up for helping at BGG
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> James Holland
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> marina pepper wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> I personally am dead set against
>> > showers saunas etc. Too much work.
>> > > >>>> And
>> > > >>>> quite frankly if people can't
>> > spend a few days at a festival coping,
>> > > >>>> it's
>> > > >>>> not our job to pander to their
>> > vanities.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Yep, there's nothing in
>> > James' "ideas" that weren't covered in the
>> > > >>>> original working group chat (no
>> > minutes ever produced or email list
>> > > >>>> produced).
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Still not sure of numbers as I have
>> > no idea who is good, who is
>> > > >>>> strong,
>> > > >>>> who can multi task and who is
>> > disciplined and will stay put rather
>> > > >>>> than
>> > > >>>> wonder off.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I note also that now there is no
>> > mention of last chance saloon, there
>> > > >>>> is
>> > > >>>> no suggestion of a bar. Isn't
>> > that the profit bit? Discuss
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> M
>> > > >>>> xxx
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > >>>> *From:* Ben Hart
>> > <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
>> > > >>>> *To:*
>> > cc-festivalsandfundraising at lists.aktivix.org
>> > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 February, 2009
>> > 21:22:48
>> > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cc-fests&FR]
>> > [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at
>> > > >>>> big
>> > > >>>> green gathering
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Ok then..
>> > > >>>>  Looks like we need a crash brain
>> > storm about what we want to happen.
>> > > >>>> James has already done some stirling
>> > work looking at an application
>> > > >>>> for
>> > > >>>> Glasto (See below). I reckon we
>> > should thrash out what we'd like to do
>> > > >>>> at
>> > > >>>> the BGG using this as a starting
>> > point.
>> > > >>>>  Personally I think something like
>> > James' bigger idea below- using one
>> > > >>>> big marquee and organising it like
>> > one of the neighbourhoods at the
>> > > >>>> camp:
>> > > >>>>  Vegan Kitchen- making lunch and
>> > dinner for donations.
>> > > >>>> Direct Action Training sessions in
>> > the afternoon.
>> > > >>>> Talks/ Discussions based on the
>> > different themes of Climate Camp this
>> > > >>>> year after dinner, followed by some
>> > films (and maybe music?)
>> > > >>>>  Not sure a sauna is needed though!!
>> > > >>>>  I think a lot of talks/ training
>> > sessions will have already been
>> > > >>>> produced for the G20 event, and
>> > I'm sure structures will be being
>> > > >>>> re-obtained in preparation for the
>> > convergence. And it's obvious that
>> > > >>>> there's plenty of people who
>> > would like to volunteer to provide stuff
>> > > >>>> to the
>> > > >>>> space, which could also be a good
>> > meeting point for lots of people if
>> > > >>>> you
>> > > >>>> make it friendly enough.
>> > > >>>>  If we create the space I'm sure
>> > it'll work fantastically...
>> > > >>>>  What do people think?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>  2009/2/11 marina pepper
>> > <votepepper at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:
>> > > >>>> votepepper at yahoo.co.uk>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>    I have the BGG form. Am looking at
>> > it blankly cos we haven't had
>> > > >>>> any
>> > > >>>>    sort of discussion on what Climate
>> > Camp is doing on the road.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>    I have ideas, but I'd hate to
>> > impose a benign dictatorship order on
>> > > >>>>    a project I know so many want to
>> > be involved with.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>    To start you off - is it a spin
>> > off of our pop up camp in the city?
>> > > >>>>    Does it operate like a
>> > neighbourhood? Is it a marquee with a bar? A
>> > > >>>>    forum? A vegan cafe? Are we doing
>> > training sessions? Consensus
>> > > >>>>    debates? Do we need 10 peeps or 30
>> > peeps? Are we offereing stuff
>> > > >>>> for
>> > > >>>>    kids? Older people?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>    Answers soon as you like. I've
>> > spent last coupla days doing family
>> > > >>>>    court nonsense. YUCK! I'm off
>> > to form mothers for justice.
>> > > >>>>    Underpants please...
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>    M
>> > > >>>>    xxx
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> /SMALL - minimum/
>> > > >>>> /a small marquee (lightweight
>> > 'party tent' type 6x3m?)
>> > > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)
>> > > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> /tea urn
>> > > >>>> projector
>> > > >>>> small pa
>> > > >>>> solar panel
>> > > >>>> bike generator
>> > > >>>> batteries
>> > > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking
>> > equipment
>> > > >>>> food
>> > > >>>> sink / water set up
>> > > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights
>> > > >>>> chairs, cushions
>> > > >>>> flags banners/
>> > > >>>> /daily schedule/
>> > > >>>> /4-5 welcome meeting/intro to climate
>> > cmap
>> > > >>>> 5-7 training session or  workshop or
>> > film
>> > > >>>> 7-8 dinner/
>> > > >>>> /Kitchen - 12 person hours a day (4
>> > people x 3 hours)
>> > > >>>> running talks / films / training -
>> > 12phd  (4 people x 3 hours)
>> > > >>>> outreach round the festival - 4phd
>> > (2 people x 2 hours)/
>> > > >>>> /28 hours X 5 days
>> > > >>>> minimum 7 people 4 hours a day (with
>> > at least some of those doing a
>> > > >>>> few
>> > > >>>> hours in the previous few days to set
>> > up)/
>> > > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/
>> > > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> /structures - 0 (i've got these)
>> > > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200
>> > > >>>> transport of staff and equipment
>> > £500
>> > > >>>> power equipment £500
>> > > >>>> workshop expenses £200
>> > > >>>> Decoration of field  £500
>> > > >>>> food  - £500
>> > > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000
>> > > >>>> flyers - £200/
>> > > >>>> /total £7,600/
>> > > >>>> // //
>> > > >>>> /BIG  - Full scale/
>> > > >>>> /outreach stall  (simple gazebo
>> > 3mx3m)
>> > > >>>> a small marquee (lightweight
>> > 'party tent' type 6x3m?)
>> > > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)
>> > > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)
>> > > >>>> compost toilet (combined)
>> > > >>>> sauna (4X4 m)
>> > > >>>> tea urn
>> > > >>>> projector
>> > > >>>> small pa
>> > > >>>> solar panel
>> > > >>>> bike generator
>> > > >>>> batteries
>> > > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking
>> > equipment
>> > > >>>> food
>> > > >>>> sink / water set up
>> > > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights
>> > > >>>> chairs, cushions
>> > > >>>> flags banners/
>> > > >>>> /daily schedule/
>> > > >>>> /1-2 lunch
>> > > >>>> 2-3 welcome meeting/intro to climate
>> > cmap
>> > > >>>> 3-5 training session
>> > > >>>> 5-7 workshop / film
>> > > >>>> 7-8 dinner
>> > > >>>> 8- booze/
>> > > >>>> /Kitchen - 24 person hours a day (4
>> > people x 6 hours)
>> > > >>>> stall - 12 phd (2 people x 6 hours)
>> > > >>>> running talks / films / training -
>> > 20phd  (4 people x 5 hours)
>> > > >>>> outreach round the festival - 12phd
>> > (2 people x 6 hours)
>> > > >>>> bar 8 phd (2 people x 4 hours)/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> /76 hours X 5 days
>> > > >>>> minimum 20 people about 4 hours a day
>> > > >>>> (with at least some of those doing a
>> > few hours in the previous few
>> > > >>>> days
>> > > >>>> to set up)/
>> > > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/
>> > > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> /structures - £200 (compost toilet)
>> > > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200
>> > > >>>> transport of staff and equipment
>> > £1000
>> > > >>>> power equipment £500
>> > > >>>> workshop expenses £500
>> > > >>>> Decoration of field  £1000
>> > > >>>> food  - £1000
>> > > >>>> booze - £500
>> > > >>>> flyers - £300
>> > > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000/
>> > > >>>> /total £10,000/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
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