[Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big green gatherin

[James Holland]

brilliant work!

also i sent the APE application for the space in today

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM, marina pepper <votepepper at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Done form. Am posting by tomorrow AM. Have left out stuff about vans, cars
> etc. Gone for 20 crew (including speakers).
>
> JUST NEED OUR ANNUAL TURNOVER.
>
> M
> xxx
>
>
> --- On Mon, 16/2/09, Ben Hart <benhart33 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Ben Hart <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big
> green gathering
> > To: cc-festivalsandfundraising at lists.aktivix.org
> > Date: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 1:42 PM
> > Agree to all of these points. Do we know what the deadline
> > is? Marina- can
> > we have an update please?
> >
> > 2009/2/14 <wildwoodsman at riseup.net>
> >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > Just back on the email loop.. so to chip in: I'm
> > definitely up for
> > > organising nvda training at bgg. I think it would be
> > good to keep the
> > > focus of this on the more experiential/practical side
> > of things - so
> > > possibilities might be lock-ons (d-locks & tubes),
> > tripods, blockades
> > > showing how to do it & maybe including role-plays
> > so people get to have a
> > > go in a fun way too! If anyone's got more ideas or
> > things they think would
> > > appeal to the festival going peeps I'd love to
> > hear them!
> > > Also as far as the whole bgg set up... I agree with
> > whats been said so far:
> > > vegan cafe
> > > space for people to hang
> > out/discussions/workshops/talks etc
> > > we could have open-mic/music etc later on
> > > I personally would be keen to get a bicycle cinema
> > going as this could be
> > > a good way to raise awareness of the wider
> > issues/campaigns etc. For
> > > example we could show things like the rossport 2008
> > film, on the verge,
> > > and longer films like age of stupid, an inconvenient
> > truth etc. this could
> > > be like a chill out type space where people can hang
> > out with films etc
> > > showing on one wall... people can come & go..
> > wouldn't need to be like a
> > > formal cinema with times for showings etc (although we
> > could do that too).
> > > Do we know when the deadline is for the bgg form?
> > > Also have we got a definitive list of the festivals we
> > are going to? It
> > > would be good to thrash this out & maybe try and
> > get an article or some
> > > promo stuff (for free obviously!) in things like
> > festival eye and in the
> > > guides to festivals that newspapers do etc. to
> > generate some interest & it
> > > would be good publicity for climate camp generally
> > too!
> > > Cheers,
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > > Hello Marina.
> > > >
> > > > How's this going? Not to be really pushy but
> > I think it's very important
> > > > to
> > > > get it done asap. I'm not sure how many
> > people are on this list- is it
> > > > worth
> > > > sending it to a bigger list- e.g. networking?
> > > > * *
> > > > *Still not sure of numbers as I have no idea who
> > is good, who is strong,
> > > > who
> > > > can multi task and who is disciplined and will
> > stay put rather than
> > > wonder
> > > > off.*
> > > > I think it's best to work out exactly what we
> > think needs to be done man
> > > > hour wise and then err on the side of caution.
> > Although the camp may have
> > > > worked with people chipping in, a lot of work did
> > fall to a few people
> > > who
> > > > would take things on. I think it's fairer to
> > draw up a rota- make sure
> > > > everyone chips in, rather than expecting people
> > just not to bother.
> > > >
> > > > Can we see the form? What exactly is needed- can
> > we give in a rough idea
> > > > and
> > > > flesh it out nearer the time?
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Ben.
> > > >
> > > > 2009/2/12 Ben Hart
> > <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
> > > >
> > > >> Yep. The LCS is doing it's own thing and
> > won't be donating to Camp as
> > > >> it's
> > > >> focusing on smaller, local projects. I think
> > therefore that the vegan
> > > >> cafe
> > > >> would be the best idea.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2009/2/12 james holland
> > <james at dogmanet.org>
> > > >>
> > > >>  the reason i'm keen on these luxuries is
> > that it counteracts the oft
> > > >>> repeated criticism that a sustainable
> > life is a miserable one where
> > > >>> we'll
> > > >>> have to do without things - in fact
> > it'll be better
> > > >>>
> > > >>> but of course keep it doable - i think
> > training and inspiration is
> > > >>> perhaps
> > > >>> more important and less of a practical
> > challenge - i think neil is keen
> > > >>> on
> > > >>> arranging training?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i think LCS are doing something anyway,
> > and this will be separate /
> > > >>> extra?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> CC style food is perhaps another good
> > profit option as it is a key
> > > >>> feature
> > > >>> of the camp as well? plus badges and t
> > shirts..
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i'm def up for helping at BGG
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> James Holland
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> marina pepper wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I personally am dead set against
> > showers saunas etc. Too much work.
> > > >>>> And
> > > >>>> quite frankly if people can't
> > spend a few days at a festival coping,
> > > >>>> it's
> > > >>>> not our job to pander to their
> > vanities.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Yep, there's nothing in
> > James' "ideas" that weren't covered in the
> > > >>>> original working group chat (no
> > minutes ever produced or email list
> > > >>>> produced).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Still not sure of numbers as I have
> > no idea who is good, who is
> > > >>>> strong,
> > > >>>> who can multi task and who is
> > disciplined and will stay put rather
> > > >>>> than
> > > >>>> wonder off.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I note also that now there is no
> > mention of last chance saloon, there
> > > >>>> is
> > > >>>> no suggestion of a bar. Isn't
> > that the profit bit? Discuss
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> M
> > > >>>> xxx
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>> *From:* Ben Hart
> > <benhart33 at googlemail.com>
> > > >>>> *To:*
> > cc-festivalsandfundraising at lists.aktivix.org
> > > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 February, 2009
> > 21:22:48
> > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cc-fests&FR]
> > [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at
> > > >>>> big
> > > >>>> green gathering
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ok then..
> > > >>>>  Looks like we need a crash brain
> > storm about what we want to happen.
> > > >>>> James has already done some stirling
> > work looking at an application
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>> Glasto (See below). I reckon we
> > should thrash out what we'd like to do
> > > >>>> at
> > > >>>> the BGG using this as a starting
> > point.
> > > >>>>  Personally I think something like
> > James' bigger idea below- using one
> > > >>>> big marquee and organising it like
> > one of the neighbourhoods at the
> > > >>>> camp:
> > > >>>>  Vegan Kitchen- making lunch and
> > dinner for donations.
> > > >>>> Direct Action Training sessions in
> > the afternoon.
> > > >>>> Talks/ Discussions based on the
> > different themes of Climate Camp this
> > > >>>> year after dinner, followed by some
> > films (and maybe music?)
> > > >>>>  Not sure a sauna is needed though!!
> > > >>>>  I think a lot of talks/ training
> > sessions will have already been
> > > >>>> produced for the G20 event, and
> > I'm sure structures will be being
> > > >>>> re-obtained in preparation for the
> > convergence. And it's obvious that
> > > >>>> there's plenty of people who
> > would like to volunteer to provide stuff
> > > >>>> to the
> > > >>>> space, which could also be a good
> > meeting point for lots of people if
> > > >>>> you
> > > >>>> make it friendly enough.
> > > >>>>  If we create the space I'm sure
> > it'll work fantastically...
> > > >>>>  What do people think?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>  2009/2/11 marina pepper
> > <votepepper at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:
> > > >>>> votepepper at yahoo.co.uk>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    I have the BGG form. Am looking at
> > it blankly cos we haven't had
> > > >>>> any
> > > >>>>    sort of discussion on what Climate
> > Camp is doing on the road.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    I have ideas, but I'd hate to
> > impose a benign dictatorship order on
> > > >>>>    a project I know so many want to
> > be involved with.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    To start you off - is it a spin
> > off of our pop up camp in the city?
> > > >>>>    Does it operate like a
> > neighbourhood? Is it a marquee with a bar? A
> > > >>>>    forum? A vegan cafe? Are we doing
> > training sessions? Consensus
> > > >>>>    debates? Do we need 10 peeps or 30
> > peeps? Are we offereing stuff
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>    kids? Older people?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    Answers soon as you like. I've
> > spent last coupla days doing family
> > > >>>>    court nonsense. YUCK! I'm off
> > to form mothers for justice.
> > > >>>>    Underpants please...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    M
> > > >>>>    xxx
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> /SMALL - minimum/
> > > >>>> /a small marquee (lightweight
> > 'party tent' type 6x3m?)
> > > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)
> > > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> /tea urn
> > > >>>> projector
> > > >>>> small pa
> > > >>>> solar panel
> > > >>>> bike generator
> > > >>>> batteries
> > > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking
> > equipment
> > > >>>> food
> > > >>>> sink / water set up
> > > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights
> > > >>>> chairs, cushions
> > > >>>> flags banners/
> > > >>>> /daily schedule/
> > > >>>> /4-5 welcome meeting/intro to climate
> > cmap
> > > >>>> 5-7 training session or  workshop or
> > film
> > > >>>> 7-8 dinner/
> > > >>>> /Kitchen - 12 person hours a day (4
> > people x 3 hours)
> > > >>>> running talks / films / training -
> > 12phd  (4 people x 3 hours)
> > > >>>> outreach round the festival - 4phd
> > (2 people x 2 hours)/
> > > >>>> /28 hours X 5 days
> > > >>>> minimum 7 people 4 hours a day (with
> > at least some of those doing a
> > > >>>> few
> > > >>>> hours in the previous few days to set
> > up)/
> > > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/
> > > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> /structures - 0 (i've got these)
> > > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200
> > > >>>> transport of staff and equipment
> > £500
> > > >>>> power equipment £500
> > > >>>> workshop expenses £200
> > > >>>> Decoration of field  £500
> > > >>>> food  - £500
> > > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000
> > > >>>> flyers - £200/
> > > >>>> /total £7,600/
> > > >>>> // //
> > > >>>> /BIG  - Full scale/
> > > >>>> /outreach stall  (simple gazebo
> > 3mx3m)
> > > >>>> a small marquee (lightweight
> > 'party tent' type 6x3m?)
> > > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)
> > > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)
> > > >>>> compost toilet (combined)
> > > >>>> sauna (4X4 m)
> > > >>>> tea urn
> > > >>>> projector
> > > >>>> small pa
> > > >>>> solar panel
> > > >>>> bike generator
> > > >>>> batteries
> > > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking
> > equipment
> > > >>>> food
> > > >>>> sink / water set up
> > > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights
> > > >>>> chairs, cushions
> > > >>>> flags banners/
> > > >>>> /daily schedule/
> > > >>>> /1-2 lunch
> > > >>>> 2-3 welcome meeting/intro to climate
> > cmap
> > > >>>> 3-5 training session
> > > >>>> 5-7 workshop / film
> > > >>>> 7-8 dinner
> > > >>>> 8- booze/
> > > >>>> /Kitchen - 24 person hours a day (4
> > people x 6 hours)
> > > >>>> stall - 12 phd (2 people x 6 hours)
> > > >>>> running talks / films / training -
> > 20phd  (4 people x 5 hours)
> > > >>>> outreach round the festival - 12phd
> > (2 people x 6 hours)
> > > >>>> bar 8 phd (2 people x 4 hours)/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> /76 hours X 5 days
> > > >>>> minimum 20 people about 4 hours a day
> > > >>>> (with at least some of those doing a
> > few hours in the previous few
> > > >>>> days
> > > >>>> to set up)/
> > > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/
> > > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> /structures - £200 (compost toilet)
> > > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200
> > > >>>> transport of staff and equipment
> > £1000
> > > >>>> power equipment £500
> > > >>>> workshop expenses £500
> > > >>>> Decoration of field  £1000
> > > >>>> food  - £1000
> > > >>>> booze - £500
> > > >>>> flyers - £300
> > > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000/
> > > >>>> /total £10,000/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>
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