[Cc-webedit] [mediateam] Dispatches sale

Thu Oct 15 08:28:26 BST 2009

News is that Dispatches will be a Met stitch up – hopefully counterbalanced
by some good Guardian stuff coming up.  HMIC report due Thursday 29th –
drafts seen so far good.

From: mediateam-owner at lists.riseup.net
[mailto:mediateam-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of richard hering
Sent: 14 October 2009 16:00
To: lauren simpson
Cc: theinnercityhippy at riseup.net; cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org; Jon
Leighton; hamish campbell; steven at loveedits.com; philip moore; Lynn; CC
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Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] [mediateam] Dispatches sale

Sorry, with the Dispatches sale news, I meant to say - so that is £600 we
don't have to raise for broken and stolen equipment. That leaves £950, I
believe.

Cheers

Richard

2009/10/14 richard hering <richard at visionon.tv>

I must say I am finding this process very difficult to work with.  It simply
isn't right to make major decisions about websites and stuff which involve a
number of key players without their being able to participate.
Since the Climate Camp we have had two meetings of CCTV, and on both
occasions a pre-arranged lobby has arrived and effectively foisted decisions
on the group.  The first meeting two weeks ago was supposed to be a de-brief
to know what worked and what did not, but obviously a group had already made
a debrief among themselves, and this did not happen. Instead a proposal was
passed with very radical implications for the CCTV project where anyone
disagreeing was left to feel they were very much out on a limb.  Then at
last Sunday's meeting a website design was shown which is still not live as
of today, three days before the swoop, with the completely unnecessary
proposal that this should take over the functioning climatecamp.tv site,
rather than be linked off it.  As has already been discussed since, the site
proposed is great if it works, but is not a tv site, but a live mixed media
site, a valuable addition to media web presence, not a replacement for the
TV. The site the proposed live site is based on, which could actually be
demonstrated, has been up for over a month, but was not put out as a link
before the meeting, so people were completely unable to form a judgment, and
the only person who could was not able to be at the meeting.

It is easy to place a large link on the current climatecamp.tv site which
will draw people strongly to the live media site, (exactly similar to what
is planned for the climatecamp.org.uk site itself) so the fact of cctv
already having views, and maybe of publicity having gone out with its url,
will not be a problem.

For myself, I remain committed to doing the best for media coverage of
climate camp.  A small point of good news: after much attempted bartering,
Films of Record, who are making a programme Channel Four's Dispatches, are
purchasing a clip from "Letter to the Met" for the fee we originally asked
for. Yay!

Best wishes to everyone

Richard

2009/10/14 lauren simpson <laurenjsimpson at googlemail.com>

Hi all,

In response to Richard H's email, I'd like to make a few comments.

- It was agreed at the meeting that we were going ahead with the proposed
new site and it would borrow the climatecamp.tv url for the weekend. At no
point did you say you needed to go away and think about consenting to the
proposal, it was agreed. It is all in place, with an existing audience ready
to watch and interact with climatecamp.tv and not another url. To change the
plan at this late stage would be confuse and be destructive in my opinion.
There is still discussions to be had about the cc.tv site post swoop but for
this weekend at least the plan had been agreed.

- the discussion about closed and open sourcing is an important one, and it
is agreed that it will be discussed at length by all involved at the next
national gathering to find a (open source) solution. For now, with 3 days to
go before the swoop, the site should go ahead.

So I propose the next step should be, once the site is ready to go, for
climatecamp.tv to become the new site for the weekend. Technically I am
inexperienced as to what actually needs to be done to make this happen but
with the short time we have left it is crucial for those that need to
implement this to communicate and make it happen. Dan and Hamish I believe? 

Lauren

2009/10/14 <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>

hi all.

Wasn't at the meeting unfortunately but here are a few points i'd like to
make.

Firstly in regards to the pittsburgh code briefly. Their lack of reply may
be down to the fact that 2 activists were arrested by the fbi at the g20
on major conspiricy charges for using twitter to coordinate the protests
so everyone over there is a bit jumpy. After the event, we'll contact them
as northern imc and put in a request for it as they are more likely to
respond to this.

Secondly, all of these super cool media things are what the hyperactive
project was started to achieve. The best case scenario here in mx mind
would be for those wanting to work on this to join that development team
where there is already a strong aggregation base for development meaning
no duplication of content and help would be greatly appreciated. The
benefits for the cctv team is that you can then draw on a wealth of talent
from the global indy geek community and the movement as a whole will
benefit from what we produce.

Mx concerns about the corporate solutions out there are well known but i
concede that there is nothing that can be done in time for the swoop. I
therefore suggest that people use whatever for that, we will be providing
an accurate timeline and a mobile publishing site for the event as an
alternative, and that we sit down afterwards and find open source versions
of what went well (or write our own) and incorporate them into the
hyperactive project for future events. Then the live site can simply be
that with different branding perhaps?

We're going to make a full presentation to a national gathering soon on
the evils of closed source and corporate solutions with a view to getting
a moratorium on their primary use over our own solutions and this sounds
like it fits in perfectly with this discussion.

In solidarity

jimdog

ps there are a wealth of indy and non indy alt media resources and coders
out there on crabgrass and others which i can direct people to if they
wish :-)

> Hi everyone
>
> Have now had the chance to have a look in detail at the proposal for the
> new
> site (I was clear at Sunday's CCTV meeting that that would be necessary
> for
> giving consent to it being the tv site) - and I very much support its
> principle of setting up an aggregated live mixed media site.  This should
> be
> really exciting and productive during the Swoop.
>
> I agree also, though, with the reservations above, viz:
> 1. It is not a TV site, but a very valuable addition to the resources as a
> live mixed media site - it therefore should have the domain
> live.climatecamp.org.uk. Right now we have set up as a
> stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv
> 2. I share the reservations about the corporate solutions provided within
> it
> - these are closed source, whereas both climatecamp.org.uk and the
> climatecamp.tv and indymedia are open source (the duplication of indymedia
> with something which is closed source and has IP logging is particularly
> problematic - agree with Jon also that we need to sort this out before the
> weekend).
>
> But we like the experiment very much, and would welcome more comments from
> webteam on any issues that arise from using it this weekend.
>
> One open source solution for after the Swoop would be to use the imc
> pittsburgh code base (they had a fantastic aggregated site for the recent
> G20).
>
> Proposal:
> We put this up when it is ready as a really happening lived mixed media
> site
> with the address live.climatecamp.org.uk
> After the weekend we look at using imc philadelphia's code base for the
> construction of a similar live media aggregated site which is open source.
>
> What do especially webteam, who have to set the url, think? I share their
> concerns about indymedia, and confess I can't get my head round it right
> now.....
>
> Richard
>
> 2009/10/13 Jon Leighton <j at jonathanleighton.com>
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> That demo seems broken now - is it up elsewhere?
>>
>> In general I think this is very cool technologically. But no-one seems
>> to be talking about how this relates to Indymedia and I think there is a
>> definite conflict there. Whatever we do with the website on the day,
>> we're going to need to be clear on one place where people should upload
>> their stuff.
>>
>> I don't have any great pearls of wisdom, particularly as I am struggling
>> to actually stay awake, but just thought it was important to start the
>> conversation. It's super important we sort this out ASAP.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jon
>>
>> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 01:06 +0100, hamish wrote:
>> > Looked at the website http://live.climatecamp.tv
>> >
>> > Interesting widget mash up. I like it, good to experiment with these.
>> >
>> > Discussion points
>> >
>> > * This site is the capture the flag site it has been around for a
>> while?
>> >
>> > * Because it is made up of lots of different widgets all the parts of
>> it
>> > have a different look and feel and different functionality, logins
>> etc,
>> > making it unintuitive to navigate in places.
>> >
>> > * the anti-corporate geeks will have HUGE problems with the use of all
>> > corporate solutions, IP tracking, and lack of ownership of data that
>> > comes from using for profit software/hosting.
>> >
>> > * it isn t finished yet.
>> >
>> > * It clearly isn t a TV site, and works best as open publishing so
>> isn t
>> > a replacement for the existing website. See http://indypgh.org/g20/#
<http://indypgh.org/g20/> 
>> as
>> > the same project at work.
>> >
>> > * Were will the channels be and what hosting will be used?
>> >
>> > * I can t see how comments will be built in. Possible using something
>> > like http://js-kit.com which I tried 3 months ago, is it working now?
>> >
>> > Have created a domain to use http://live.climatecamp.tv  As this is a
>> > mixed media live site it should really be at live.climatecamp.org.uk -
>> > it would be more appropriate as a climatecamp.org url -it would be
>> best
>> > to ask the cc webteam for that domain.
>> >
>> > Hamish
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>> request access
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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