[Cc-webedit] [mediateam] Dispatches sale

Wed Oct 14 16:00:03 BST 2009

Sorry, with the Dispatches sale news, I meant to say - so that is £600 we
don't have to raise for broken and stolen equipment. That leaves £950, I
believe.

Cheers

Richard

2009/10/14 richard hering <richard at visionon.tv>

> I must say I am finding this process very difficult to work with.  It
> simply isn't right to make major decisions about websites and stuff which
> involve a number of key players without their being able to participate.
> Since the Climate Camp we have had two meetings of CCTV, and on both
> occasions a pre-arranged lobby has arrived and effectively foisted decisions
> on the group.  The first meeting two weeks ago was supposed to be a de-brief
> to know what worked and what did not, but obviously a group had already made
> a debrief among themselves, and this did not happen. Instead a proposal was
> passed with very radical implications for the CCTV project where anyone
> disagreeing was left to feel they were very much out on a limb.  Then at
> last Sunday's meeting a website design was shown which is still not live as
> of today, three days before the swoop, with the completely unnecessary
> proposal that this should take over the functioning climatecamp.tv site,
> rather than be linked off it.  As has already been discussed since, the site
> proposed is great if it works, but is not a tv site, but a live mixed media
> site, a valuable addition to media web presence, not a replacement for the
> TV. The site the proposed live site is based on, which could actually be
> demonstrated, has been up for over a month, but was not put out as a link
> before the meeting, so people were completely unable to form a judgment, and
> the only person who could was not able to be at the meeting.
>
> It is easy to place a large link on the current climatecamp.tv site which
> will draw people strongly to the live media site, (exactly similar to what
> is planned for the climatecamp.org.uk site itself) so the fact of cctv
> already having views, and maybe of publicity having gone out with its url,
> will not be a problem.
>
> For myself, I remain committed to doing the best for media coverage of
> climate camp.  A small point of good news: after much attempted bartering,
> Films of Record, who are making a programme Channel Four's Dispatches, are
> purchasing a clip from "Letter to the Met" for the fee we originally asked
> for. Yay!
>
> Best wishes to everyone
>
> Richard
>
> 2009/10/14 lauren simpson <laurenjsimpson at googlemail.com>
>
> Hi all,
>> In response to Richard H's email, I'd like to make a few comments.
>>
>> - It was agreed at the meeting that we were going ahead with the proposed
>> new site and it would borrow the climatecamp.tv url for the weekend. At
>> no point did you say you needed to go away and think about consenting to the
>> proposal, it was agreed. It is all in place, with an existing audience ready
>> to watch and interact with climatecamp.tv and not another url. To change
>> the plan at this late stage would be confuse and be destructive in my
>> opinion. There is still discussions to be had about the cc.tv site post
>> swoop but for this weekend at least the plan had been agreed.
>>
>> - the discussion about closed and open sourcing is an important one, and
>> it is agreed that it will be discussed at length by all involved at the next
>> national gathering to find a (open source) solution. For now, with 3 days to
>> go before the swoop, the site should go ahead.
>>
>> So I propose the next step should be, once the site is ready to go, for
>> climatecamp.tv to become the new site for the weekend. Technically I am
>> inexperienced as to what actually needs to be done to make this happen but
>> with the short time we have left it is crucial for those that need to
>> implement this to communicate and make it happen. Dan and Hamish I believe?
>>
>> Lauren
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/14 <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
>>
>> hi all.
>>>
>>> Wasn't at the meeting unfortunately but here are a few points i'd like to
>>> make.
>>>
>>> Firstly in regards to the pittsburgh code briefly. Their lack of reply
>>> may
>>> be down to the fact that 2 activists were arrested by the fbi at the g20
>>> on major conspiricy charges for using twitter to coordinate the protests
>>> so everyone over there is a bit jumpy. After the event, we'll contact
>>> them
>>> as northern imc and put in a request for it as they are more likely to
>>> respond to this.
>>>
>>> Secondly, all of these super cool media things are what the hyperactive
>>> project was started to achieve. The best case scenario here in mx mind
>>> would be for those wanting to work on this to join that development team
>>> where there is already a strong aggregation base for development meaning
>>> no duplication of content and help would be greatly appreciated. The
>>> benefits for the cctv team is that you can then draw on a wealth of
>>> talent
>>> from the global indy geek community and the movement as a whole will
>>> benefit from what we produce.
>>>
>>> Mx concerns about the corporate solutions out there are well known but i
>>> concede that there is nothing that can be done in time for the swoop. I
>>> therefore suggest that people use whatever for that, we will be providing
>>> an accurate timeline and a mobile publishing site for the event as an
>>> alternative, and that we sit down afterwards and find open source
>>> versions
>>> of what went well (or write our own) and incorporate them into the
>>> hyperactive project for future events. Then the live site can simply be
>>> that with different branding perhaps?
>>>
>>> We're going to make a full presentation to a national gathering soon on
>>> the evils of closed source and corporate solutions with a view to getting
>>> a moratorium on their primary use over our own solutions and this sounds
>>> like it fits in perfectly with this discussion.
>>>
>>> In solidarity
>>>
>>> jimdog
>>>
>>> ps there are a wealth of indy and non indy alt media resources and coders
>>> out there on crabgrass and others which i can direct people to if they
>>> wish :-)
>>>
>>> > Hi everyone
>>> >
>>> > Have now had the chance to have a look in detail at the proposal for
>>> the
>>> > new
>>> > site (I was clear at Sunday's CCTV meeting that that would be necessary
>>> > for
>>> > giving consent to it being the tv site) - and I very much support its
>>> > principle of setting up an aggregated live mixed media site.  This
>>> should
>>> > be
>>> > really exciting and productive during the Swoop.
>>> >
>>> > I agree also, though, with the reservations above, viz:
>>> > 1. It is not a TV site, but a very valuable addition to the resources
>>> as a
>>> > live mixed media site - it therefore should have the domain
>>> > live.climatecamp.org.uk. Right now we have set up as a
>>> > stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv
>>> > 2. I share the reservations about the corporate solutions provided
>>> within
>>> > it
>>> > - these are closed source, whereas both climatecamp.org.uk and the
>>> > climatecamp.tv and indymedia are open source (the duplication of
>>> indymedia
>>> > with something which is closed source and has IP logging is
>>> particularly
>>> > problematic - agree with Jon also that we need to sort this out before
>>> the
>>> > weekend).
>>> >
>>> > But we like the experiment very much, and would welcome more comments
>>> from
>>> > webteam on any issues that arise from using it this weekend.
>>> >
>>> > One open source solution for after the Swoop would be to use the imc
>>> > pittsburgh code base (they had a fantastic aggregated site for the
>>> recent
>>> > G20).
>>> >
>>> > Proposal:
>>> > We put this up when it is ready as a really happening lived mixed media
>>> > site
>>> > with the address live.climatecamp.org.uk
>>> > After the weekend we look at using imc philadelphia's code base for the
>>> > construction of a similar live media aggregated site which is open
>>> source.
>>> >
>>> > What do especially webteam, who have to set the url, think? I share
>>> their
>>> > concerns about indymedia, and confess I can't get my head round it
>>> right
>>> > now.....
>>> >
>>> > Richard
>>> >
>>> > 2009/10/13 Jon Leighton <j at jonathanleighton.com>
>>> >
>>> >> Hiya,
>>> >>
>>> >> That demo seems broken now - is it up elsewhere?
>>> >>
>>> >> In general I think this is very cool technologically. But no-one seems
>>> >> to be talking about how this relates to Indymedia and I think there is
>>> a
>>> >> definite conflict there. Whatever we do with the website on the day,
>>> >> we're going to need to be clear on one place where people should
>>> upload
>>> >> their stuff.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't have any great pearls of wisdom, particularly as I am
>>> struggling
>>> >> to actually stay awake, but just thought it was important to start the
>>> >> conversation. It's super important we sort this out ASAP.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Jon
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 01:06 +0100, hamish wrote:
>>> >> > Looked at the website http://live.climatecamp.tv
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Interesting widget mash up. I like it, good to experiment with
>>> these.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Discussion points
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * This site is the capture the flag site it has been around for a
>>> >> while?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * Because it is made up of lots of different widgets all the parts
>>> of
>>> >> it
>>> >> > have a different look and feel and different functionality, logins
>>> >> etc,
>>> >> > making it unintuitive to navigate in places.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * the anti-corporate geeks will have HUGE problems with the use of
>>> all
>>> >> > corporate solutions, IP tracking, and lack of ownership of data that
>>> >> > comes from using for profit software/hosting.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * it isn t finished yet.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * It clearly isn t a TV site, and works best as open publishing so
>>> >> isn t
>>> >> > a replacement for the existing website. See
>>> http://indypgh.org/g20/#
>>> >> as
>>> >> > the same project at work.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * Were will the channels be and what hosting will be used?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * I can t see how comments will be built in. Possible using
>>> something
>>> >> > like http://js-kit.com which I tried 3 months ago, is it working
>>> now?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Have created a domain to use http://live.climatecamp.tv  As this is
>>> a
>>> >> > mixed media live site it should really be at
>>> live.climatecamp.org.uk -
>>> >> > it would be more appropriate as a climatecamp.org url -it would be
>>> >> best
>>> >> > to ask the cc webteam for that domain.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Hamish
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>>> >> request access
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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