[Cc-webedit] swoop map
Jon Leighton
j at jonathanleighton.com
Tue Sep 29 13:38:24 BST 2009
Hi all,
For what it's worth, I think the benefit of doing this with Google maps
outweighs the risk. The whole swoop thing is being done very very
publicly, and I don't think looking at a map for a public event is
sufficient evidence to prosecute somebody. Even if they somehow got hold
of the IPs, they'd have to prove that the relevant individual was
physically sitting in front of the computer with that IP address.
Basically, I think doing it in a way whereby IPs aren't logged would be
nice, but it looks like that isn't possible, and I think we should just
do it anyway.
Understand this is controversial - maybe we can have a chat about this
specifically and security provisions in general at the gathering.
Cheers,
Jon
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 12:15 +0100, david at vannen.com wrote:
> Hosting the map on our own server is outside my knowledge, and unlikely to
> be inside my knowledge in the timeframe, so I'll have to bow out.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl van Tonder" <carl at supervacuo.com>
> To: <david at vannen.com>; <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My personal preference would be for openstreetmap (or NASA's satellite
> images) through OpenLayers due to the proprietary nature of Google as a
> service.
>
> Sadly, both Google and OpenLayers have the same problem - requests for map
> images of any line are (fairly sensibly from a performance point of view)
> all made through Javascript - i.e. directly to the map provider. This means
> that we have no control over access logs. One way around this would be to
> host our own map image (either Google's or someone else's) and serve it
> ourselves, accessing it through OpenLayers. A custom map layer like this is
> definitely possible, and would probably address our security issues,
> although I'm afraid that having suggested this I don't myself have time to
> do this early enough so as to be useful for the Swoop.
>
> It's not that much work (or technically complex) though, and _could_ be less
> work than an illustrated map.
>
> Hope this makes some sort of sense.
>
> Coal and riots,
> Carl
>
> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> From: <david at vannen.com>
> Date: 29/09/2009 5:31 am
>
> <Ah, oops, that was a mis-type, didn't mean to send as-is.>
>
> Is there another service we can use, given the time frame?
>
> Is there a way of using Google maps without disclosing IP addesses, etc?
> Perhaps a way of Onion-Routing the map?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <david at vannen.com>
> To: <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
>
>
> >
> > I trust Jim Dog's judgemet re. security issues. Hence, as nice as I
> > believe a Google map may be, I can't go ahead if he thinks it's a risk.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> > To: <cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> >
> >
> >>
> >> keep in mind that we need to host the map on our own server, ideally only
> >> accessible with an ssl connection and we need to avoid storing any cookie
> >> info from the users of this page.
> >>
> >> An external service like google maps really isn't suitable for this
> >> unless the map request is rerouted as coming from our server as we run
> >> the risk of users being identified by ip and winding up with so called
> >> evidence of conspiricy which we need to guard against. Remember, people
> >> need to trust that we have thought of this and are taking steps to
> >> minimise the risk or it could backfire badly.
> >>
> >> If the maps are stored and accessed from our server, we have the removeip
> >> apache mod running so it will look like all the requests have come from
> >> the localhost in the unlikely event of these application logs being
> >> seized
> >> (though ideally they should be pointed at /dev/null )
> >>
> >> feel free to message me off list if you need more advice
> >>
> >> solidarity
> >>
> >> jimdog
> >>
> >>> Sounds great David, go for it.
> >>>
> >>> I look forward to seeing the results :)
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 21:01 +0100, david at vannen.com wrote:
> >>>> Unless somebody who's really in touch with with Google Maps would
> >>>> rather do it, I can take this on, and have it done by Tuesday eve. the
> >>>> basic map is a quick job, the overlays a bit longer.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree about the need for a printable map.
> >>>>
> >>>> DV
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Alistair Alexander
> >>>> To: cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:39 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Cc-webedit] swoop map
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> There's been a request for an interactive map of the Swoop to
> >>>> be put online.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My understanding is that it would need to be more than a
> >>>> google map and would need to show:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Ratcliffe and surrounding area
> >>>> * Bloc starting points with big arrows showing suggested
> >>>> routes
> >>>> * Mouseover boxes detailing points of interest
> >>>>
> >>>> In the time available, it seems like a pretty tall order - do
> >>>> we know any web designer who might be able to do this (very
> >>>> quickly)?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd suggest we also need a PDF map for printing out.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Alistair
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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