[Cja] [climate09-int] CJA: the great fix-it-or-nix-it-debate

Wed Aug 25 06:51:05 UTC 2010

you really need to set-up some kind of social networking system like the
social forums, these mailing lists are serial, transitory, unstable

disband CJA sure, dismantle CJN why not, but please dont actually close down
websites or email lists, build those resources up.. thats the best way to do
international networks... travelling to international meetings, why not
actually film and stream and archive online these events ? how much of
Klimaforum09's mostly excellent informational workshops where documented and
archived ? I would say, f$ck all...

the political economy of precarity should be the next battle, and no doubt
for many in Europe is the daily reality

climate change should not be a filter, but a lense for a hole new
perspective on world problems, you need to provide career pathways for
activists... for many, Copenhagen was a soft power version of Berlusconi's
Mousetrap.. we need to go beyond that

maintain the rage

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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Tadzio Mueller <tadziom at yahoo.com> wrote:

> dear friends (and dare i say comrades ;-)),
>
> it's great, and somewhat ironic, to see that there's finally some
> discussion regarding anything CJA-related at all. maybe it's like when my
> mum wanted to throw away that dusty teddybear in the corner that i never,
> ever played with anymore. realising that it was going to go the way of all
> things, i put up a big fight, and won. it stayed. unfortunately, it also
> stayed in its corner, gathering dust, until at some point, she threw it out
> in a nightly commando-raid... wow. very religious: speaking in parables -
> apologies for that, it's early, and coffee isn't ready yet...
>
> my point, though, should be obvious: it's inspiring that people obviously
> feel so strongly about CJA. it is even more inspiring that there are
> regional/national networks that somewhat draw on a CJA(-like) identity in
> their work, and that are growing and getting stronger. but: the work done at
> regional/national levels has in principle almost nothing to do with what
> happens with CJA at the largely European level (ref. back to long debates
> whether CJA is global or european - de facto, it is european). at that
> level, the network has been largely disfunctional since before (!)
> copenhagen. in copenhagen itself, the only functioning CJA structures were
> the media group, and the reclaim power action group (though in both cases,
> they were also strongly constituted by our amazing danish friends, organised
> in the climate collective). neither of these structures exist anymore.
> meetings have been getting smaller and smaller, and more and more like
> gatherings of friends. for those who haven't been to these meetings: there's
> a very strong sense of drift, of a lack of purpose. we're not playing with
> the teddybear, as it were. it's gathering dust. it doesn't have a purpose
> right now.
>
> to be sure: this lack of purpose is not because the problem has gone away -
> but because, i suggest, right now is not really the time for global network
> building around climate justice. really, we need to engage in
> sub-global/continental capacity/power-building. global networks are only as
> good as their social base. in fact, strengthening global networks * the
> expense of* local bases leads to the latter becoming subject to the whims
> of the former.
>
> anyway: if people want to make the de facto european CJA network come alive
> again, by all means, get involved. make the structures work. create
> structures. do stuff. put in management-speak: CJA can only function if
> there's a significant 'buy-in' from people all around the continent. if not,
> all the inspiring words written on email lists won't change the fact that
> CJA is pretty much non-existent. and if that is the case, then the few of us
> who actually have been investing time and resources and affect into trying
> to make things work, traveling to distant meetings, can maybe spend that
> energy elsewhere.
>
> solidarische gruesse
>
> tadzio
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/24/10, Andy Vermaut +32(0)499 35 74 95 <
> andy.vermaut1 at telenet.be>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Andy Vermaut +32(0)499 35 74 95 <andy.vermaut1 at telenet.be>
> Subject: [Cja] Climate Justice Action in Belgium is stronger than ever.
> To: "'Peter / GroenFront!'" <peter at groenfront.nl>, "'climate09-int'" <
> climate09-int at lists.riseup.net>, cja at lists.aktivix.org,
> copenhagengroup at climateactioncamp.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 7:00 PM
>
>  Dear Climate Justice Action-friends,
>
>
>
> We have organized under the umbrella of Climate Justice Action Belgium a
> Climate Action Camp held in Liege, the Walloon part of Belgium.
>
>
>
> It was highly successful. The movement for Climate Justice in Belgium
> becomes stronger and stronger.
>
>
>
> It is true that we are not always able to attend international meetings.
> This is for me personally a budget problem.
>
>
>
> I think that many people cannot afford to attend all these meetings.
> Meanwhile we are working on.
>
>
>
> We have both in Flanders and in the Walloon part of Belgium a very strong
> branch who becomes every day stronger.
>
> We even show the politicians of our country that we can overcome the
> language barriers. Where politicians fail, we are required to make our voice
> heard.
>
>
>
> I believe that CJA should remain a powerful network who wants to build a
> climate just world. We have this obligation to the world, but also to  the
> people involved who all want to participate in the building of a different
> world.
>
>
>
> In the streets there is a whole new sound… We are listening to a world in
> need. The network must not stop.
>
> We have to move.
>
>
>
> Positive greetings,
>
>
>
> Andy Vermaut
>
> Climate Justice Action Belgium
>
> +32499/35 74 95
>
>
>
> PS.. If there are people in our country are willing to go, I would go. Give
> me a call. If someone could support or help me with my travel expenses, I
> would surely come to the meeting in the Netherlands
>
>
>
> *Van:* peter.groenfront at gmail.com [mailto:peter.groenfront at gmail.com] *Namens
> *Peter / GroenFront!
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 24 augustus 2010 11:49
> *Aan:* climate09-int; cja at lists.aktivix.org
> *Onderwerp:* [climate09-int] The Future of CJA ; dissolve or find a new
> course
>
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
>
>
> The next meeting op Climate Justice Action should, in my view , have just
> one agenda point. Dissolve the network of not.
>
>
>
> Climate Justice Action was formed to mobilise for Copenhagen. In 2009 it
> was a lively, planet wide network that was powerfull enough to make a stand
> in the streets of Copenhagen. In all the stress and rush to prepare for that
> event, we forgot to think about the future of the network itself. As a
> result many people dropped out after the Copenhagen summit. Discussions at
> the last two meetings have focused on finding a cause to keep the network
> alive. The standard recipe of global day of actions was brought up.  But
> that's not enough to keep people motivated and keep the network alive.
> The meeting in bonn only had 30 people, the next meeting in Holland looks
> to be even smaller. Tasks taken up  in Bonn haven't been done.
>
>
>
> Apperently the time and energy to keep the network alive isn't there any
> more. Most likely because the network is missing a concrete common goal. A
> battle to prepare for.
>
> I think it is time to face facts, and dissolve CJA as it is at this
> moment.
>
>
>
> I would be good to keep the mailing list up, to make contacts easier, or
> maybey organize a conference on Climate justice in Europe. But to keep
> dragging the burden of an international network would be a mistake. It will
> drain the time and energy needed elsewhere, and give people the false hope
> that we are able to mobilise large amounts of activist for future actions.
>
>
>
> I ofcourse hope to be mistaken, and see lot's of angry people at the next
> meeting to oppose my proposal. If not come over to have a drink at the
> campfire. I hope anyway to see you all on the barricades , somewhere,
> sometime.
>
>
>
> Peter Polder
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>
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>
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