[Dissent-bristol-info] first thoughts on climate change

[John Mayford]

Hang fire Autonomous!

The Kyoto protocol is an UN initative on the recommendations
of the International Panel on Climate Change: it doesn't make it 
automaticly bad tho! The climate is burning up and this particilar
protocol is against the interest of the Coporates ...particularly
the Oil, Car and road lobby so yes lets make it clear that it is the UN
and examine it on its own merits not throw it out on priciples: 
I think that environmental activism and scientific observation alot
to do with the protocol: the reality that we will all be fucked if 
if a consumer economy run on fossils fuels continues unchecked and expanding
into China, India.

Also re the negative thing: 

I think the responsability is to do what we can do in our lives and fuck the USA: just 
you as earn or spend your money or the climate change issue. With Climate Change 
how electricity is generated is a bigger cause than transport but in the UK we are a phonecall
away from UNITE who supply 100% of their electricity through renewables and other suppliers
have Green Tarrif schemes.
In terms of transport Biodeisal is up to 90 % carbon neutral and can be used on Mercedes, Peugots and deisal
engines can be modified to accept biodeisal
Then Car Share Schemes and cycling in cities ect
I think in this way we can give people a sense of power in our own actions rather than helpness

-----Original Message-----
From: autonomous at riseup.net [mailto:autonomous at riseup.net]
Sent: 26 October 2004 15:01
To: Bristol Dissent Research & Info
Subject: Re: [Dissent-bristol-info] first thoughts on climate change



agreed we need to make it clearer what we mean by climate change and
global warming also how deforestation adds to problem.  I will add this in
thenext couple of days.  I'm pretty sure that kyoto is a UN invention.

I'll get rid of today - although that's why I put the date in!

the ending is a bit negative but I then I think we're all doomed, what do
you suggest?

any good points?

see you later,


> Hi - good to see a start is made. Here's a few
> comments:
> - Need to define clearly & briefly what we mean by
> climate change/global warming, don't assume Joe Bloggs
> knows.
> - Make a clearer link between the G8 & climate change
> ie was Kyoto a G8 inspired initiative? If yes say so.
> - make it clear Blair has said G8 2005 will focus on
> climate change.
> - don't use the word 'today' in leaflets as it's
> already out of date.
> - Russia didn't formally ratify Koyoto on 23/10, it
> was only (I think) the 'lower parliament' or similar.
> It ain't ratified til Putin signs it off.
> - ending is a bit negative, implies there's no point
> us in the UK doing anything to be greener. Not the
> message we wanna give out surely!
>
> cheers........mh
>
>  --- autonomous at riseup.net wrote:
>> these are the first thoughts I've put together about
>> climate
>> change...maybe we need a short description about how
>> the emissions are
>> bringing about warming and what have you?  we can
>> talk about it on tuesday
>>
>> The G8 and Climate Change
>>
>>
>> The Kyoto protocol came into being in 1997 and is an
>> extension of the
>> Montreal protocol of 198?.  The protocol states that
>> those signed up
>> will limit their emission levels to those of 1990.
>>
>> Although the protocol has been ratified by over 150
>> countries the main
>> polluters are yet to agree to its terms.  Today
>> (23rd Oct 2004) Russia
>> ratified the protocol, but, this is allegedly in a
>> deal with the EU
>> member states to allow it to get membership to the
>> World Trade
>> Organisation (WTO)!
>>
>> China and India are not part of the protocol because
>> they were not
>> considered industrialised in 1997.  However, both of
>> these countries
>> have seen high levels of economic growth in the last
>> seven years to
>> the extent that their demand for oil is such that
>> between them they
>> represent 40% of the world's oil growth[1].
>>
>> In 2003 China's energy demand was equivalent to that
>> of Japan, South
>> Korea, India and Indonesia combined, or some 80% of
>> the EU-15 states,
>> and it increased by 14% in that year. In 2002 China
>> overtook Japan to
>> become the second largest consumer of oil [2].
>> Remember that China
>> are not even party to the Kyoto protocol.
>>
>> Another of the world's worst polluters the USA have
>> pulled out of
>> Kyoto.  George Bush is on record as saying that he
>> believes the
>> science of global warming to be suspect.  Could we
>> expect anything
>> else from a son of one of America's oil families?
>> Without the support
>> of China, India and the USA there is no hope that
>> emissions of
>> Carbon Dioxide (CO2) gas will fall.
>>
>> In a speech given in central London Tony Blair
>> warned of catastrophic
>> consequences for our world and way of life if the
>> international
>> community does not take action. No one nation can
>> resolve the issue,
>> he said.  Blair said "To acquire global leadership,
>> on this issue
>> Britain must demonstrate it first at home".
>>
>> Unless China voluntarily cut their emissions and the
>> USA can be
>> persuaded to ratify Kyoto, both very unlikely, then
>> whatever we do
>> here in Britain will be lost in the heat....
>>
>> [1]
>>
> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/07/content_380099.htm
>>
>> [2]
>>
> http://www.dundee.ac.uk/cepmlp/journal/html/Vol14/article14_6.html
>>
>> [3]
>> http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page6335.asp
>>
>>
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