[g8-sheffield] Re: g8-sheffield Digest, Vol 4, Issue 75 DSEI

Thu Jun 30 12:29:34 BST 2005

Thanks Dave. George Galloway mentioned that the DSEI arms fair takes place in what is now his constituency and that there most certainly would be a major mobilisation for it.
Ian 

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4. legal stuff on wiki (adriana)
5. SWPie (Dan)
6. Re: SWPie (Dan)
7. Re: SWPie (Alan Dawson)
8. phone number for paddy (dougald hine)
9. Police and protest (Chris Malins)

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:41:27 +0100 (BST)
From: jgibbon at wimbledon.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Closing the list
To: "Dave Havard" 
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great idea - I'm planning to go to DSEi along with afew others

Jill

>>
> I would propose that this list be kept open to organise for DSEI, the
> arms fair in London which begins on 11 Sep
> http://www.dsei.org/
> since this is the logical next mobilisation after the G8.
>
> In peace,
> Dave
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Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:14:25 +0100
From: "sheffjeff" 
Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Closing the list
To: "Dave Havard" ,

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YES!
The DSEi London fayre would be a brilliant focus and only happens every 2
years
People who were not interested could always unsubscribe
Sheffjeff

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Closing the list

> jgibbon at wimbledon.ac.uk wrote:
>
> >Dan suggested, maybe we shouldn't close this list after the G8. I agree -
> >this seems a really useful small scale forum for local dissent.
> >Lets at least leave it open for afew weeks after the G8 to discuss what
> >happens in Scotland.
> >
> >Jill
> >
> >
> >
> I would propose that this list be kept open to organise for DSEI, the
> arms fair in London which begins on 11 Sep
> http://www.dsei.org/
> since this is the logical next mobilisation after the G8.
>
> In peace,
> Dave
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:08:32 +0100
From: adriana 
Subject: [g8-sheffield] legal stuff on wiki
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http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/Legal_Stuff

Some useful info added: please check if interested in actions against 
the police following g8 arrests

Best wishes for those travelling to Scotland.

-- 
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É elas não terem sentido oculto nenhum" (A. Caeiro)

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:24:03 +0100
From: Dan 
Subject: [g8-sheffield] SWPie
To: G8 Sheffield 
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Hmm,

The SWP is a difficult issue for me. It's perhaps best out in the open: 
I still hold the SWP responsible for undermining the local social forum 
movement in the UK. In the run-up to the (SWP-dominated) European 
Social Forum in the UK, the SWP (having previously decided not to work 
with local social forums) set up their own network, called 'UK ESF 
mobilising committees' rather than contact and work with existing local 
social forums - even though, for example, I personally wrote to SWP 
members, including Alex Callinicos, asking him to make contact with us. 
Neither did the ESF support space for local social forums to organise - 
we had to sort that out ourselves, even though we'd tried to arrange it.

The result was a lot of local confusion. I still don't really 
understand what the reasoning behind all that was. There are all the 
cliches about 'the SWP not being able to control the social forums', but 
given what we've been hearing about SWP members being free to act, that 
seems a little wierd. I find it hard to believe that the caricatures 
are true.

I would, now at least, like to believe we could move forward - but I 
confess I'm nervous. I am still working to try and get the Sheffield 
Social Forum going again, but the whole ESF shebang knocked it for six a 
bit. A quick search on the internet reveals that this has happened 
before with the SWP, and that seems a shame. I'm wondering whether I'm 
suffering from an awful prejudice and - as Ian says - would be willing 
to talk about it.

The best idea seems to actually work on an event together, rather than 
debate on a list. By their fruits shall ye know them, after all. If we 
in Sheffield could accomplish a broad-based event - of any kind - it 
could be a big step forward. Been to a meeting tonight, and it reminded 
me of how easy it is to slip into negativity when talking is all that's 
going on.

The optimism of the action is better than the pessimism of the thought, 
after all. What say you, Ian? I know that the regional organiser lives 
next door to a good friend of mine. Maybe I should pop round for a cup 
of tea...? Bearing in mind that, at the first sight of anyone trying to 
control the agenda or pack a meeting, I'd scream blue murder...!

love n peace n hippy nonsense

Dan

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:45:09 +0100
From: Dan 
Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] SWPie
To: G8 Sheffield 
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Can someone please work out some device that stops me writing e-mails 
when I'm drunk? Maybe getting so rdnku htta I catn tpey...?

:)

Dan wrote:

> Hmm,
>
> The SWP is a difficult issue for me. It's perhaps best out in the 
> open: I still hold the SWP responsible for undermining the local 
> social forum movement in the UK. In the run-up to the (SWP-dominated) 
> European Social Forum in the UK, the SWP (having previously decided 
> not to work with local social forums) set up their own network, called 
> 'UK ESF mobilising committees' rather than contact and work with 
> existing local social forums - even though, for example, I personally 
> wrote to SWP members, including Alex Callinicos, asking him to make 
> contact with us. Neither did the ESF support space for local social 
> forums to organise - we had to sort that out ourselves, even though 
> we'd tried to arrange it.
>
> The result was a lot of local confusion. I still don't really 
> understand what the reasoning behind all that was. There are all the 
> cliches about 'the SWP not being able to control the social forums', 
> but given what we've been hearing about SWP members being free to act, 
> that seems a little wierd. I find it hard to believe that the 
> caricatures are true.
>
> I would, now at least, like to believe we could move forward - but I 
> confess I'm nervous. I am still working to try and get the Sheffield 
> Social Forum going again, but the whole ESF shebang knocked it for six 
> a bit. A quick search on the internet reveals that this has happened 
> before with the SWP, and that seems a shame. I'm wondering whether 
> I'm suffering from an awful prejudice and - as Ian says - would be 
> willing to talk about it.
>
> The best idea seems to actually work on an event together, rather than 
> debate on a list. By their fruits shall ye know them, after all. If 
> we in Sheffield could accomplish a broad-based event - of any kind - 
> it could be a big step forward. Been to a meeting tonight, and it 
> reminded me of how easy it is to slip into negativity when talking is 
> all that's going on.
>
> The optimism of the action is better than the pessimism of the 
> thought, after all. What say you, Ian? I know that the regional 
> organiser lives next door to a good friend of mine. Maybe I should 
> pop round for a cup of tea...? Bearing in mind that, at the first 
> sight of anyone trying to control the agenda or pack a meeting, I'd 
> scream blue murder...!
>
> love n peace n hippy nonsense
>
> Dan
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:33:08 +0100
From: Alan Dawson 
Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] SWPie
To: Dan 
Cc: G8 Sheffield 
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Quoting Dan :

> Can someone please work out some device that stops me writing e-mails 
> when I'm drunk? Maybe getting so rdnku htta I catn tpey...?
> 

funny you should say that ... we were just discussing it in the pub a few
minutes ago

Some sort of USB device you blow in before pressing send. Quick patent that
idea.. perhaps it could use Bluetooth to connect to your phone or car or pc.

"A device and accompanying software to assess the competency and capability of
an individual to use a piece of communications equipment by measuring their
intoxication against a customisable range of responses"

hmm perhaps i need one too. Do the SWP have a view on Intellectual Property and
Software Patents ? Other than its a symbol of the degeneration of late capital
?

AED
-- 
"If you make decisions about software -- or anything -- based solely on
short-term cost and benefit, someone with a longer view can easily
manoeuver you into a trap from which it is hard to escape." 

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:25:22 +0100
From: dougald hine 
Subject: [g8-sheffield] phone number for paddy
To: "List for organising protests at the G8 meeting in Sheffield."

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Does anyone have a phone number for Paddy Gillett? I think he's en
route to Scotland by bike - I wanted to get a quick interview with
him. If you have it, can you email me off list?

Cheers,
Dougald

-- 
Dougald Hine
46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD
(+44)(0)7810 650213

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:12:41 +0100
From: Chris Malins 
Subject: [g8-sheffield] Police and protest
To: zerosevenfour two 
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Hello all,

There's an academic Dave Waddington at Hallam looking to interview 
people about protest and the police with regard to the G8 in Sheffield. 
I suggested Moses and ACAB might have interesting perspectives, and he's 
trying to get hold of Lesley. His email address is 
d.p.waddington at shu.ac.uk, if anyone thinks they might be able to help 
him out, especially the three mentioned.

Chris

zerosevenfour two wrote:
> yes there seems to good debate.. i come across the mph artical due to this
> 
> On Monday, June 27th, Indymedia Bristol's server was seized by the 
> police. An Indymedia volunteer was arrested during the raid on suspicion 
> of incitement to criminal damage. He is now on bail
> 
> Bristol Indymedia say: "We are outraged at the actions of the police. 
> They have completely disabled the entire Bristol Indymedia news service. 
> By their actions they have undermined the principle of open publishing 
> and free access to the media, thereby removing people's opportunity to 
> read and report their own news. This situation has serious implications 
> for anyone providing a news service on the Internet. We do not intend to 
> let this stop us from continuing the project."
> 
> however in the mist of this i was copying all the content of indymedia 
> to back up etc.. you see wht you do not reed..
> 
> yes dan it might be cool to keep this list going for debate and use 
> matilda for such resurch..
> 
> however my head is elsewhere due to indymedia server snach etc.. the g8 
> looming and a need to keep real news going dureing the events..
> 
> 0742
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