[g8-sheffield] Re: g8-sheffield Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65
IAN WALLACE
ian.wallace15 at btopenworld.com
Tue May 31 21:51:53 BST 2005
"As a citizen of this town, island, planet, galaxy I'm
prepared to stand up among the free thinkers but that's where it ends."
Thanks for that Kathleen. But you didn't tell us which group of 'free thinkers' you have joined.
Seriously, everybody has some politics. Even 'free thinkers'. Their politics might come from their parents, or they might come as a reaction against the politics of their parents or they might come from somewhere else altogether. But let nobody try to tell us that 'they have no politics'. Because 'anti-politics' is just as much 'politics' as 'politics'.
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Today's Topics:
1. Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and Hydrolic-Despots.
(Kathleen Holliday)
2. Re: Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and Hydrolic-Despots.
(dougald hine)
3. Practicalities (Dan)
4. Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and Hydrolic-Despots.
(zerosevenfour two)
5. from david very urgent (david rehmat)
6. free photocopying (Jason Von Brevern)
7. Hydrolic-Despots and Demonstration (Kathleen Holliday)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:38:43 +0100
From: "Kathleen Holliday"
Subject: [g8-sheffield] Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and
Hydrolic-Despots.
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I'm getting a little disillusioned about this. I am very proud to say I am
not a member of any political or religious body.
I don't want to join the socialists or the pentecostals.
It seems more like recruitment than peaceful protest that is being planned here.
I'll walk into Sheffield
but I'm not taking sides among factions of divided protesters or saying prayers to
anyone elses god and I don't like the idea of being branded with any new-age label.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:53:09 +0100
From: dougald hine
Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and
Hydrolic-Despots.
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KH > I'm getting a little disillusioned about this.
Sorry to hear this. Thanks for saying it rather than just opting out
of the list.
I'm not aware of acrimonious divisions among those on this list - but
there has been a lot of spirited debate in the last couple of days,
maybe it reads like we're more divided than we are. We don't have to
agree on everything to work together effectively.
With two weeks to go, maybe we should take the political theory (and
I'm as guilty as anyone) somewhere else and use this list for
discussing the practicalities.
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Dougald Hine
46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD
(+44)(0)7810 650213
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:50:28 +0100
From: Dan
Subject: [g8-sheffield] Practicalities
To: g8-sheffield at lists.aktivix.org
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Hia
Yeah - keeping this list for practicalities. We've said it before, but
it's easy to slip into bad habits!
It really is a positive group: everyone's been working so hard.
Something's gonna happen and, in the best traditions of autonomous
action, no-one exactly knows what! Cool...
Idea coming up...
Dan
dougald hine wrote:
>KH > I'm getting a little disillusioned about this.
>
>Sorry to hear this. Thanks for saying it rather than just opting out
>of the list.
>
>I'm not aware of acrimonious divisions among those on this list - but
>there has been a lot of spirited debate in the last couple of days,
>maybe it reads like we're more divided than we are. We don't have to
>agree on everything to work together effectively.
>
>With two weeks to go, maybe we should take the political theory (and
>I'm as guilty as anyone) somewhere else and use this list for
>discussing the practicalities.
>
>
>--
>Dougald Hine
>46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD
>(+44)(0)7810 650213
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:59:32 +0000
From: "zerosevenfour two"
Subject: [g8-sheffield] Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and
Hydrolic-Despots.
To: g8-sheffield at lists.aktivix.org
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K.H Wrote
I'm getting a little disillusioned about this. I am very proud to say I am
not a member of any political or religious body.
Reply i have been disillusioned all my life and more so in the last few
weeks all of this leaves an ugly feeling of deep anger and then the middle
class and there lackeys spend a night laughing at the working class for not
being inteligant. i will defend my class the working class drunk or not
drunk no matter what i would have said and done the same with or with out
drink inside of me sometimes the lackeys can not be ignored and have to be
challanged even though you become the fool because you are not as
artitculate as them.
K.H Wrote
I don't want to join the socialists or the pentecostals.
Reply nither do i desire to become a member of there bullshit and lets
remeber the rumours and lies misinfomation are a means thay use to divde and
rule us. just so sad the likes of atw and others beleve some of there own
propaganada. if only people looked behond there own ignorance we might have
a mass movement instaed of this sectarian shit. said it befor nither the swp
make poverty hisitory what ever brand are my enamy but capitlism that
subdegates us.
K.H Wrote
It seems more like recruitment than peaceful protest that is being planned
here.
Reply and yes true but we need to look further into why this might be and
move from that base. though it angers me that groups see all of this as a
means of join us our brand is better than the other brand. if you look at
this in the perspective of cuilts you begin to understand why people and
groups are like thay are.
K.H Wrote
I'll walk into Sheffield but I'm not taking sides among factions of divided
protesters or saying prayers to anyone elses god and I don't like the idea
of being branded with any new-age label.
Reply and nither will i join in this bullshit. though at times i find myself
acting out the patterns of behavour becuase i have the need to be liked like
the rest of us. is this not a social club for the disturbed? there for
should we not disturb the comfertable and start to comfert the disturbed?
K.H Wrote
As a citizen of this town, island, planet, galaxy I'm prepared to stand up
among the free thinkers but that's where it ends
Reply and i could not help myself and reply because Kathleen Holliday has
spoken so much truth in her observations and i thank her for doing so.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:09:01 +0000
From: "david rehmat"
Subject: [g8-sheffield] from david very urgent
To: g8-sheffield at lists.aktivix.org
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Dear sir/madam
greetings. We are a landless tenants movement working and struggling for the
ownership of the land and land rights here in Pakistan. Since we are also a
movement that is resistance against the paramillitary forces here. This
movement (AMP) consists upon about 10 millions peasants and farmers from
Punjab Pakistan.
We can provide you with whole the documents and infomation if needed.
We came to know about your plannings and meeting against the G-8. We would
also like to participate in the events that you have planned around the G-8
resistance.
It is therefore requested that you kindly guide us or inform us the
procedure how to participate. If
you welcome us we will be needing
* An invitation letter from your organization to show in Embassy
here.
Since the time is also very short so we are extremely sorry for delay from
our side. We had been in correspondence with " Mr. Mcnut " of dissent
network since long. Now since he has informed us about you and suggested us
to contact with you so please oblige us and provide us chance to be with you
hands in hands for the events and especially the counterconferences.
looking forward for positive and quick response
Regards
David Rehmat
General Secratary
AMP, Punjab, Pakistan.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:00:58 -0000
From: "Jason Von Brevern"
Subject: [g8-sheffield] free photocopying
To:
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Dear Ian,
I don’t know if this message about free photocopying was meant for the
general public, but if it was this is exactly what I am looking for just
now.
Please can you let me know.
Thank you
Jason von Brevern
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:48:03 +0100
From: "Kathleen Holliday"
Subject: [g8-sheffield] Hydrolic-Despots and Demonstration
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"I have been disillusioned all my life and more so in the last few
weeks all of this leaves an ugly feeling of deep anger and then the middle
class and there lackeys spend a night laughing at the working class for not
being inteligant. i will defend my class the working class drunk or not
drunk no matter what i would have said and done the same with or with out
drink inside of me sometimes the lackeys can not be ignored and have to be
challanged even though you become the fool because you are not as
artitculate as them."
There is no class unless you make it yourself, you are the same and as good as any other person born on this planet. Wealth is defined by "society" as being in possession of material things but your real wealth is your TIME which you sell and trade in.
The materially rich need the poor in order to exist. This link posted by Dan says it all http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1495676,00.html
"our brand is better than the other brand" Our politicians are all in the same club, have business lunches together and then hold public debates and elections after making their decisions in private. It's a shame that they don't listen to the voices of their own people.
Violence is not going to do any good except to justify the same extreme counter-reactions that we are protesting against.
Groups are easier to target and as a member of a group with spokesmen and leaders, each member loses their standing as a free thinker and it can easily become a mob mentality.
In the Ukraine, the ordinary people went out on the streets spontaneously and false election results were reversed. http://www.theorangerevolution.com/orangerevolution.html
Sorry for airing my personal views but I felt it was necessary ~ Kathy
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