[HacktionLab] documentalism
Sy
sytaffel at riseup.net
Fri Apr 23 20:08:39 BST 2010
I'd be game for doing some video based documentation
Sy
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> 4. To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we decide! (Mike Harris)
> 5. Re: FW: RE: funding (Mike Harris)
> 6. Re: Fancy being a documentalist for this year's BarnCamp?
> (Mike Harris)
> 7. Re: To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we decide! (Steve Woods)
> 8. Fwd: To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we decide! (Mike Harris)
> 9. Re: FW: RE: funding (mick fuzz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:17:21 +0100
> From: mick fuzz <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> Subject: [HacktionLab] funding
> To: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
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> What do people think about this suggestion?
> Mick
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: undercurrents alternative news <paulo at undercurrents.org>
> Date: Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:15 AM
>
>
> Why not put in for this for the barn camp?
>
> Community funds
> Kerrygold, the butter brand owned by a cooperative of Irish dairy
> farmers, has launched the Kerrygold Community Awards.
> First run last year, the awards are designed to` encourage, support and
> reward people all over the UK that come together to achieve a common
> goal that brings benefits to a whole community`. People or organisations
> with a good idea for a community project and who require funding may
> enter the Community Awards. However, national registered charities are
> excluded from entering: the rules state that projects must be `staffed
> by members of that community. These projects should be non-profit
> generating and should not be initiated by national registered charities`.
> www.kerrygoldcommunityawards.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://visionontv.net
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>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:35:50 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Subject: [HacktionLab] Fancy being a documentalist for this year's
> BarnCamp?
> To: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
> <hacktionlab at lists.psand.net>
> Message-ID: <4BD1A236.8090400 at mbharris.co.uk>
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> Hi There,
>
> It would be really good to have one or more people up for documenting
> this year's BarnCamp.
>
> Need someone to take photos.
>
> Need someone to do some video interviews to make a short video, possibly
> for use in a workshop or barcamp if we get to that.
>
> Anybody up for it?
>
> Mike.
>
> --
> Mike Harris
> w: http://mbharris.co.uk
> t: +44 7811 671 893
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:46:05 +0100
> From: "JimDog" <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> Subject: [HacktionLab] FW: RE: funding
> To: Hacktionlab at lists.psand.net
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> Bloody munging!
>
> -original message-
> Subject: RE: [HacktionLab] funding
> From: "JimDog" <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> Date: 23/04/2010 2:45 pm
>
> Hi.
>
> Though i'm not blocking this if others think they want to go for it, it has set off my vegan gland a little as it may do for some others (though i appreciate there's a pretty even split between non/veggies in this group).
>
> As a lifelong animal rights activist, i wouldn't be personally comfortable entering a competition run by a dairy farm, but of course i don't want to be the one holding the tin opener on that particular can of the finest worms :-) also, as the barncamp is hosted at a vegan farm, would it be appropriate to raise funds in this way?
>
> In good spirited solidarity
>
> jd
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [HacktionLab] funding
> From: mick fuzz <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> Date: 23/04/2010 1:18 pm
>
> What do people think about this suggestion?
> Mick
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: undercurrents alternative news <paulo at undercurrents.org>
> Date: Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:15 AM
>
>
> Why not put in for this for the barn camp?
>
> Community funds
> Kerrygold, the butter brand owned by a cooperative of Irish dairy
> farmers, has launched the Kerrygold Community Awards.
> First run last year, the awards are designed to` encourage, support and
> reward people all over the UK that come together to achieve a common
> goal that brings benefits to a whole community`. People or organisations
> with a good idea for a community project and who require funding may
> enter the Community Awards. However, national registered charities are
> excluded from entering: the rules state that projects must be `staffed
> by members of that community. These projects should be non-profit
> generating and should not be initiated by national registered charities`.
> www.kerrygoldcommunityawards.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:18:12 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Subject: [HacktionLab] To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we decide!
> To: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
> <hacktionlab at lists.psand.net>
> Message-ID: <4BD1AC24.20000 at mbharris.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi All,
>
> Over the last couple of weeks I've been discussing whether to get people
> to pay up for hacktionlab this year in advance, and if so how.
>
> There are two reasons for going down this line of thinking:
>
> Firstly it is to cover the initial costs for fuel, food, refreshments,
> hire of stuff, sundries prior to the event so that we don't incurr a
> huge financial risk: I've done a rough calculation and I reckon, based
> on last year's figures, that this year's BarnCamp might cost as much as
> 1,800 to put on!
>
> And secondly, and possibly more importantly, it's to get people to make
> a commitment to come, so that we can correctly calculate how much food
> and drink to buy and plan how many meals to cook, how many workshops to
> run etc. I've seen before, with HacktionLab and other gigs, that when
> you get someone to book and pay for something, they are more likely to
> take their committment seriously and turn up.
>
> So the question here is do we get payment up front? This could be a
> deposit or 15 pounds or the whole amount of 31 pounds.
>
> And if we do, is it safe to use paypal? We did use it back last summer
> for getting money in for the Big Green gig.
>
> Discuss.
>
> Mike.
>
> --
>
> Mike Harris
> w: http://mbharris.co.uk
> t: +44 7811 671 893
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:28:36 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] FW: RE: funding
> To: hacktionlab at lists.psand.net
> Message-ID: <4BD1AE94.1040108 at mbharris.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hi JimDog,
>
> I appreciate your reservations, I have them too about the dairy
> industry, and getting funding from commercial enterprises.
>
> Mick: I noticed on that KG site that there's a couple of caveats that
> means we might not fit the bill, namely:
>
> "We define these as projects aimed at helping the immediate community in
> which they are based (i.e. if a project helps only the community within
> a 10 mile radius of the applicant?s base), and is staffed by members of
> that community."
>
> "Projects should not be focussed on political and/ or religious
> recruitment."
>
> I think something like Artists Project Earth might be a better, more neutral place to go to, although I think we've missed this year's deadline.
>
> Mike.
>
> --
> Mike Harris
> w: http://mbharris.co.uk
> t: +44 7811 671 893
>
>
> On 23/04/2010 14:46, JimDog wrote:
> > Bloody munging!
> >
> > -original message-
> > Subject: RE: [HacktionLab] funding
> > From: "JimDog" <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> > Date: 23/04/2010 2:45 pm
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > Though i'm not blocking this if others think they want to go for it, it has set off my vegan gland a little as it may do for some others (though i appreciate there's a pretty even split between non/veggies in this group).
> >
> > As a lifelong animal rights activist, i wouldn't be personally comfortable entering a competition run by a dairy farm, but of course i don't want to be the one holding the tin opener on that particular can of the finest worms :-) also, as the barncamp is hosted at a vegan farm, would it be appropriate to raise funds in this way?
> >
> > In good spirited solidarity
> >
> > jd
> >
> > -original message-
> > Subject: [HacktionLab] funding
> > From: mick fuzz <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> > Date: 23/04/2010 1:18 pm
> >
> > What do people think about this suggestion?
> > Mick
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: undercurrents alternative news <paulo at undercurrents.org>
> > Date: Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:15 AM
> >
> >
> > Why not put in for this for the barn camp?
> >
> > Community funds
> > Kerrygold, the butter brand owned by a cooperative of Irish dairy
> > farmers, has launched the Kerrygold Community Awards.
> > First run last year, the awards are designed to` encourage, support and
> > reward people all over the UK that come together to achieve a common
> > goal that brings benefits to a whole community`. People or organisations
> > with a good idea for a community project and who require funding may
> > enter the Community Awards. However, national registered charities are
> > excluded from entering: the rules state that projects must be `staffed
> > by members of that community. These projects should be non-profit
> > generating and should not be initiated by national registered charities`.
> > www.kerrygoldcommunityawards.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:30:47 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Fancy being a documentalist for this year's
> BarnCamp?
> To: JimDog <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> Cc: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
> <hacktionlab at lists.psand.net>
> Message-ID: <4BD1AF17.5030109 at mbharris.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi JimDog,
>
> (I've cc'd the list for you ;))
>
> That's great thanks. So you're now down for meet and greet /
> registration stuff, and doing some photos.
>
> Personally, I'm not sure about the podcast thing though, sounds like a
> load of work and sketch. Did you have anything particular in mind and
> what use do you think it might be? (by that I mean, who on earth will
> listen to it=.
>
> Yours cynically,
>
> Mike.
>
> --
> Mike Harris
> w: http://mbharris.co.uk
> t: +44 7811 671 893
>
>
> On 23/04/2010 14:45, JimDog wrote:
> > I'm certainly up for taking photo's and getting some audio up. Would be really good if we could put together a daily podcast too :-)
> >
> > in solidarity
> >
> > jimdog
> >
> > -original message-
> > Subject: [HacktionLab] Fancy being a documentalist for this year's BarnCamp?
> > From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> > Date: 23/04/2010 2:36 pm
> >
> > Hi There,
> >
> > It would be really good to have one or more people up for documenting
> > this year's BarnCamp.
> >
> > Need someone to take photos.
> >
> > Need someone to do some video interviews to make a short video, possibly
> > for use in a workshop or barcamp if we get to that.
> >
> > Anybody up for it?
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:42:56 +0100
> From: "Steve Woods" <woodsy at bristolwireless.net>
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we
> decide!
> To: hacktionlab at lists.psand.net
> Message-ID: <20100423154256.10363g9dkxpltq0w at slackmail.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed"
>
> Quoting "Mike Harris" <mike at mbharris.co.uk>:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Over the last couple of weeks I've been discussing whether to get people
> > to pay up for hacktionlab this year in advance, and if so how.
> >
> > There are two reasons for going down this line of thinking:
> >
> > Firstly it is to cover the initial costs for fuel, food, refreshments,
> > hire of stuff, sundries prior to the event so that we don't incurr a
> > huge financial risk: I've done a rough calculation and I reckon, based
> > on last year's figures, that this year's BarnCamp might cost as much as
> > 1,800 to put on!
> >
> > And secondly, and possibly more importantly, it's to get people to make
> > a commitment to come, so that we can correctly calculate how much food
> > and drink to buy and plan how many meals to cook, how many workshops to
> > run etc. I've seen before, with HacktionLab and other gigs, that when
> > you get someone to book and pay for something, they are more likely to
> > take their committment seriously and turn up.
> >
> > So the question here is do we get payment up front? This could be a
> > deposit or 15 pounds or the whole amount of 31 pounds.
> >
>
> Hi Mike/all
>
> I say a definite yes to getting some payment before the event. Getting
> the whole amount would mean those that do dip into their pockets in
> advance of the event for materials, food, etc., most likely wouldn't
> have to happen to the same extent as previously - or at all.
>
>
>
> > And if we do, is it safe to use paypal? We did use it back last summer
> > for getting money in for the Big Green gig.
> >
>
> I think we mentioned whilst in Oxford having an alternative for
> Luddites like me who still use cheques. :)
>
> Cheers
> Woodsy
>
> > Discuss.
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mike Harris
> > w: http://mbharris.co.uk
> > t: +44 7811 671 893
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.psand.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:44:05 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Subject: [HacktionLab] Fwd: To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we
> decide!
> To: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
> <hacktionlab at lists.psand.net>
> Message-ID: <4BD1B235.9050205 at mbharris.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi again,
>
> I have a proposal for this, to get the debate going:
>
> * you book online using the form that yossarian is building for us, you
> get a booking reference.
> * you then pay via paypal and use this reference, or send a cheque with
> the reference written on the back.
> * if you pay early, you pay less
> * if you pay on the door, you pay more.
>
> Mike.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [HacktionLab] To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we decide!
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:18:12 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> To: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
> <hacktionlab at lists.psand.net>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Over the last couple of weeks I've been discussing whether to get people
> to pay up for hacktionlab this year in advance, and if so how.
>
> There are two reasons for going down this line of thinking:
>
> Firstly it is to cover the initial costs for fuel, food, refreshments,
> hire of stuff, sundries prior to the event so that we don't incurr a
> huge financial risk: I've done a rough calculation and I reckon, based
> on last year's figures, that this year's BarnCamp might cost as much as
> 1,800 to put on!
>
> And secondly, and possibly more importantly, it's to get people to make
> a commitment to come, so that we can correctly calculate how much food
> and drink to buy and plan how many meals to cook, how many workshops to
> run etc. I've seen before, with HacktionLab and other gigs, that when
> you get someone to book and pay for something, they are more likely to
> take their committment seriously and turn up.
>
> So the question here is do we get payment up front? This could be a
> deposit or 15 pounds or the whole amount of 31 pounds.
>
> And if we do, is it safe to use paypal? We did use it back last summer
> for getting money in for the Big Green gig.
>
> Discuss.
>
> Mike.
>
> --
>
> Mike Harris
> w: http://mbharris.co.uk
> t: +44 7811 671 893
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:20:11 +0100
> From: mick fuzz <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] FW: RE: funding
> To: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.psand.net
> Message-ID:
> <o2t6163bcef1004230820w6949b180h341876d502431adf at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi JimDog,
> >
> > I appreciate your reservations, I have them too about the dairy
> > industry, and getting funding from commercial enterprises.
> >
>
> fair play - do we need funding as well? i think it might cause more problems
> than it might solve
>
> mick
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:21:18 +0100
> From: mick fuzz <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Fwd: To pay (in advance) or not to pay: we
> decide!
> To: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Cc: An occasional convergence to discuss technical topics
> <hacktionlab at lists.psand.net>
> Message-ID:
> <y2u6163bcef1004230821w4138a48bgfbc7d7ffc79a46bd at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > I have a proposal for this, to get the debate going:
> >
> > * you book online using the form that yossarian is building for us, you
> > get a booking reference.
> > * you then pay via paypal and use this reference, or send a cheque with
> > the reference written on the back.
> > * if you pay early, you pay less
> > * if you pay on the door, you pay more.
> >
>
> +1
> sounds good to me
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