[HacktionLab] HacktionLab Digest, Vol 53, Issue 14

Fri Sep 21 17:13:23 UTC 2012

Ideally yes, practically yes and no. I think groups could be better in
themselves to start with (without another system) to have more energy and
flexibility being able to jump on other group's members and make more baby
projects/work on existing ones. And most might know each others details
already but not 'officially'. It could be great in the right hands and
link us! I think it depends on that and... security.

If this information makes it really easy in the wrong hands to hold
against individuals or groups AT ANY TIME then forget it. Might be a nice
hit list for some departments!
Yum more things to do, business could boom for some :)
We probably want to make sure of that above all. Even with security we'd
almost always fall back to the individual making sure and groups each
having their own ways (or not) and system so it's less
traceable/representing of the whole across the board.

So this all ends up being some kind of play-off between how good you
already are at compiling, organising and actioning things where you would
already have everything you need or will find it soon enough cause your
that good or not and rely on someone serving it to you constantly doing
the hard work but perhaps serving the wrong people at the same time. A bit
like Facebook (whoops nothing to see here, new users are not worth £75+ to
Facebook going up rapidly the more you use/abuse it £1000's? just turn
away nothing is happening it's all FREE! Multiply the worth by 955 million
users]

Julian Assange > "if it's free to use on-line, then you are the product"
(or very similar)
955 million users/products. Ok enough with the bashing Facebook, it has
great programming and helps people a lot do a lot... like liking things
and posting they'll turn up to things and kinda always don't...

Did you know that Facebook + UKBA (UK border agency) have agreed to merge
to make it 'easier' for people to cross and validate themselves?

x Yo x

I'll leave you with that thought even though it's a blatant LIE and
obviously wouldn't ever happen or already be in progress because
businesses wouldn't dare consider such a thing even if it has nothing
better and nothing else to sell. Everyone like a nice little app too,
they're so cute, oh look my face and passport ID all in one place ^^ nice
programming

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>    1. Re: ideas for basic system for movement support gathering
>       (Alan Dawson)
>    2. Re: proposed system for Movement Support Gathering - any
>       interest? (Alan Dawson)
>    3. Re: proposed system for Movement Support Gathering - any
>       interest? (Gzikskud)
>    4. Re: ideas for basic system for movement support gathering (JimDog)
5. Re: proposed system for Movement Support Gathering - any
>       interest? (Charlie Harvey)
>    6. Re: proposed system for Movement Support Gathering - any
>       interest? (Mike Harris)
>    7. Re: proposed system for Movement Support Gathering - any
>       interest? (Charlie Harvey)
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Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:05:40 +0100
> From: Alan Dawson <aland at burngreave.net>
> To: Tom Lord <toml at aptivate.org>
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] ideas for basic system for movement support
> 	gathering
> Message-ID: <20120919230540.GB18423 at apple.rat.burntout.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 06:06:29PM +0100, Tom Lord wrote:
>> Hello again...
> hi!
>> So, as promised:
>> I'm thinking that the initial Thing that might be useful at the MSG
would have the following functionality. I'll add this up on
>> http://lopad.org/msgtech (like a pirate pad, that we run) in case email
is a messy way to keep track of thinking.
> To be negative,
> The whole thing sounds like a complete waste of time, anybody remember
the
> great networkx aggregator ? Or the nextgen indymedia setup ?
> It's just a giant software artefact that will become a millstone to
update
> and out of date about 10 minutes after it's ever finished.
> But don't let that stop you!
> If I were to offer positive thoughts I would say
> Decentralisation and federation are the strengths of the movement.
Direct people toward existing radical tech resources. Don't rebuild the
wheel.
> There is a bunch of decentralised tech resources at
> https://techtoolsforactivism.org
> that already do 90% of what you want.  The only thing missing is
centralised directory.
> But if that's what you want then we already have facebook ?
> Regards,
> --
> Alan Dawson
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:12:11 +0100
> From: Alan Dawson <aland at burngreave.net>
> To: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] proposed system for Movement Support
> 	Gathering - any interest?
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> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 04:15:06PM +0100, Mike Harris wrote:
>> Hi Tom,
>> My immediate reaction is that we get CiviCRM running on a server
somewhere, possibly the TTFA one, and use that.  That will give us an out
of the box system.  However security and privacy will be an obvious
concern.
> Perhaps crabgrass would be better ?
> https://we.riseup.net ?
> --
> "The introduction of a coordinate system to geometry is an act of
violence"
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:41:23 +0100
> From: Gzikskud <gzikskud at gmail.com>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] proposed system for Movement Support
> 	Gathering - any interest?
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>  On 20/09/2012 00:12, Alan Dawson wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 04:15:06PM +0100, Mike Harris wrote:
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> My immediate reaction is that we get CiviCRM running on a server
somewhere, possibly the TTFA one, and use that.  That will give us an out
of the box system.  However security and privacy will be an
obvious
>>> concern.
>> Perhaps crabgrass would be better ?
>> https://we.riseup.net ?
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> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:48:59 +0100
> From: "JimDog" <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
> To: "Alan Dawson" <aland at burngreave.net>,
> 	"Tom Lord" <toml at aptivate.org>
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] ideas for basic system for movement support
> 	gathering
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> +1
> Then -1 for using Facebook ;)
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Alan Dawson" <aland at burngreave.net>
> Date: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 00:05
> Subject: [HacktionLab] ideas for basic system for movement support
gathering
> To: "Tom Lord" <toml at aptivate.org>
> Cc: <hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 06:06:29PM +0100, Tom Lord wrote:
>> Hello again...
> hi!
>> So, as promised:
>> I'm thinking that the initial Thing that might be useful at the MSG
would have the following functionality. I'll add this up on
>> http://lopad.org/msgtech (like a pirate pad, that we run) in case email
is a messy way to keep track of thinking.
> To be negative,
> The whole thing sounds like a complete waste of time, anybody remember
the
> great networkx aggregator ? Or the nextgen indymedia setup ?
> It's just a giant software artefact that will become a millstone to
update
> and out of date about 10 minutes after it's ever finished.
> But don't let that stop you!
> If I were to offer positive thoughts I would say
> Decentralisation and federation are the strengths of the movement.
Direct people toward existing radical tech resources. Don't rebuild the
wheel.
> There is a bunch of decentralised tech resources at
> https://techtoolsforactivism.org
> that already do 90% of what you want.  The only thing missing is
centralised directory.
> But if that's what you want then we already have facebook ?
> Regards,
> --
> Alan Dawson
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> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:44:28 +0100
> From: Charlie Harvey <charlie at newint.org>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] proposed system for Movement Support
> 	Gathering - any interest?
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>> - agree that a spreadsheet and laptop is the most minimal requirement
:-)
> Surely the minimal implementation is a pencil and some sheets of paper?
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> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:17:02 +0100
> From: Mike Harris <mike at mbharris.co.uk>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] proposed system for Movement Support
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> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:37:55 +0100
> From: Charlie Harvey <charlie at newint.org>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] proposed system for Movement Support
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> On 20/09/12 12:17, Mike Harris wrote:
>>  On 20/09/12 10:44, Charlie Harvey wrote:
>>> On 19/09/12 19:06, Tom Lord wrote:
>>> > - agree that a spreadsheet and laptop is the most minimal
>>> requirement :-)
>>> Surely the minimal implementation is a pencil and some sheets of
paper?
>> technologically yes, but practically, hmm I'm not sure.  time spent at
P&P dealing with trying to read people's scrawly handwriting to input
their contact details into a database makes me think that it's much better
just to get them to input them there and then on the day and corroborate
that they've provided the correct information.
> Heh. I'm just recalling time spent at P&P with lost plugs, missing
laptops, crap internet connections and broken hard drives. And lost pieces
of paper, of course.
> Every system sucks in its own unique way.
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