[HacktionLab] Take action, with Google?!

Sat May 31 09:07:45 UTC 2014

Going on-line gives us the opportunity to show our support and really 
work with those that love us or at least are like-minded and working 
towards the same major goals.

If you don't know about where the data goes, that's a good reason to 
check, or stop until you can really see if it's possible to check.
Chances are not many will know, so keeping some local network or circle 
makes sense toward knowing.

In the 'search engine' department, I'm not sure anyone know of a 
'social-libertarian' type of search engine?!
seems like a silly question... one I only just thought of!

The rest below is about companies, totally not needed to read...
---------------------------------------------------------------
Companies are perhaps not like-minded when it comes down to it, 
depending on how high you rank their principles (and believe) and your 
own. That if you even know your own principles and present them on one 
page clearly at any time! Mine are found on-line:
https://network23.org/freeschool/principles/
...or a shortened version is found on the right side of website, mainly 
tabs called "D.I.Y. Principles" & "Community Spirit" - good thing is 
that it's always visible (to me and others) and I've tweaked/honed/made 
more clear as much as I can without other people testing it...

So back to companies... A company online is a place where a conversion 
occurs between your hard energy (and searches) to paper money and this 
process and using money is perhaps the root of problems ("money as debt" 
etc)...

So if you agree using a company and all this money business is a bit of 
out of your hands and too open for uneducated use, misuse, abuse, etc
then stop.
If you are helping any company get to even-more of a monster status, 
then that is just one of the reasons on top. Mostly the continuous and 
seamless misuse or subsidised one, isn't good for us or our individual 
self (even if indirectly we a affected, it all counts)

I guess I don't have specific proof because business is good at changing 
and having processes that cloak underlying intentions (other than 
blatant things like financial reports at end of year) but ultimately 
what I've seen so far, and feel, are great ideas cheapened and rotted by 
business models, and we put it on a plate for people to do so whether 
it's money or the idea itself and not keeping it in the family/village.
...hierarchy, sell-off's and mergers and all those other things that 
change the face from something that starts as a good intention (Autobot) 
and turns out totally messed up (Decepticon). These are the sorts of 
experiences I would draw from you own life and can't doubt it relates to 
many of the ways mentioned.

I think most of us in our personal lives know well when there's been a 
good thing going on, even a good company, and then the core starts 
rotting or eventually does. Doubt, pessimism, lack of motivation and 
affinity, lack of control and pressures of money all kick in and the 
'others' take over. And I reckon most are already rotten mostly long 
before we got there. The whole framework is corrupt even with nice code 
perhaps...

HOLD THE PHONE...
I'm still interested in those that are happy in their job and hear more 
of the other side. Maybe I could stop listening or watching as people 
shrug their shoulders in response to "how's your job" ?

I feel that most companies are not even close to solving the essential 
problems to the end (and uninterested + conflicts business interest).
If they did solve things they could close down, happily that they solved 
it or reached as far as they could and that's it. Perhaps they could 
start another business when ready instead of staying open at any cost of 
other things and people (people becoming more and more expendable ad 
data given away freely).

It's quite similar to an example (although exaggerated) that we are 
feeding our children by doing bad/unloved actions and things, using bad 
tools with not-so-interesting not-so-good company's, with people clearly 
just trying to stay alive or make a buck.

The pressure of money is deep and affects almost all, so it's hard when 
even good code is waiting there on a site called Google not to try and 
use something less in quality for the sake of allowing such data to be 
accumulated knowing it's only going to get misused or copied down the 
line somewhere.

Overall if I reckon the tendency for company's are to feed off people, 
cream off the top, perpetuate problems etc  because that's what's 
keeping our lives going.... Re-sale, re-packaging, or lots of other 
marketing words... so if we slow it down, opting-out, or using our 
comrades' pages we're a good start
(which leads me to ask: is there a social-libertarian search engine?!)
anyway if you think Google helps solve things, go ahead.

I just dowhatyoulove.0id.org and hope that works in the long run... or 
else I can leave what I thought 
online...-----------------------PEACE--------------------------------

DIY WEBSITE ♥ dowhatyoulove.0id.org ♥
-------------------------------------

On 30/05/2014 14:04, hacktionlab-request at lists.aktivix.org wrote:
> Send HacktionLab mailing list submissions to
> 	hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	hacktionlab-request at lists.aktivix.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	hacktionlab-owner at lists.aktivix.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of HacktionLab digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>     1. Re: Take action, with Google?! (sam at bristolwireless.net)
>     2. thanks (Mick - Clearerchannel.org)
>     3. Re: Take action, with Google?! (mark)
>     4. Re: Take action, with Google?! (sam at bristolwireless.net)
>     5. Re: Take action, with Google?! (Garcon du Monde)
>     6. Re: Take action, with Google?! (Sam Tuke)
>     7. Re: Take action, with Google?! (Ben Green)
>     8. Re: Take action, with Google?! (penguin)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:48:27 +0100
> From: sam at bristolwireless.net
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Take action, with Google?!
> Message-ID:
> 	<20140529134827.Horde.ioHWKzX9t-lZCxEvhRPRGQ1 at slackmail.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed";
> 	DelSp="Yes"
>
>
>>
>> Be interesting to hear where people stand with regards to Google and any
>> reasons for/against using their products & services. I make no secret of
>> using Google services since Gmail beta 10 years ago,
>
> I also confess to using some Google services, particularly search
> since the demise of Scroogle.
>
> I'm not so worried about what the data is used for this year or next
> year, but how that data will be used in five or ten years concerns me.
>
>
> Google motto 2004: Don't be evil
> Google motto 2010: Evil is tricky to define
> Google motto 2013: We make military robots
> Google motto 2019: We control dystopian concentration camps?
>
> Well illustrated by the classic Cory Doctorow essay:
> http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-09-17-n72.html
>
> 2p
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
> use an Android phone
>> (albeit running CycnogenMod) and numerous other of their products. I'm not
>> paranoid. 1000's of highly intelligent and well respected tech people use
>> Google/Android, do I know soemthing they don't?
>>
>> If I need secure to make communications anonymously, I wouldn't use their
>> services. But with the spread of Android, the chances of Google knowing
>> about you are increasing all the time, whether you use them or not.
>>
>> So I ask, why/why not use Google?
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> Name: not available
> Type: application/pgp-keys
> Size: 1348 bytes
> Desc: PGP Public Key
> URL: <https://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/hacktionlab/attachments/20140529/1bceb1bd/attachment-0001.key>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 14:58:45 +0100
> From: "Mick - Clearerchannel.org" <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: [HacktionLab] thanks
> Message-ID: <53873D15.1040801 at clearerchannel.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Thanks for your help all on the voting promotion for the project.
> I do appreciate it!
>
> I made the vote count this morning.
>
> I'll be putting updates on  - http://ducttapeuni.org/
>
> nice one
> Mick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:01:31 +0100
> From: mark <mark at aktivix.org>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Take action, with Google?!
> Message-ID: <53873DBB.2030804 at aktivix.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA256
>
> On 29/05/14 13:48, sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
>>
>> I also confess to using some Google services, particularly search
>> since the demise of Scroogle.
>
> Have look at https://startpage.com/
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/
>
> iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJThz25AAoJECivkG/nESo7mT4P/jdfcxeDRAiAdfBrlM8ENHac
> ZDHr1Tlm1V1z6ifhJ5H1HoROdaiZd5wjKrKoM1LriQJavQh3xXct7UP7oZxJkUKn
> r8e58SzCfdabIHrqoRdgJnwFdwYTQ516miRr1guBKyfl8HswRpTVBJsGQD1d3MB1
> Pnz4n8FhRbC7qbB+/NzGt05HnrzG46AujPniuLa1L2MzA7FanF5K92TferK6JP3/
> JWzwxh3DlRafY8YSRenmhf9fGRFhNRjJyRVimd7sugNKE2Vgj3C54iWz7B+XpKy2
> vCDp9BfBshhZxwxHT0ntG3hn8dc4xuXc03PqUvqqQ6rJtt75qbFj3mMnNYkPZo6S
> LyD6+9G2qjpGSxdbMlSMi1TSs9n/6uGaQIIdoHlwm4gEegPF3U1QXUH7WB7O849r
> n1s936IXOWcp3fDgfovzOm+1xS5hSxOvDDfc03U+q7g6n8F71VjGGBDAoyeYZ34a
> 0EXNtT9g7AoVJmkh7E4fkuo2vaS6eWNMiwEzwikSESxc2eFgNByrRHvQ6hlu5KXB
> BG2SdIMfC/WfRFA621FXg7VDpPqGHo1MShhcN1+WgPWwRJG5mYLi6ee4rbRtK8Lr
> 4Vi2r+S+A6GcS7T6OMorxYbb7n8VjeIvE8xKqN21KDsWzm2FedhiFdvtsuTHOXmM
> u3PBpooQ+vXHbkYSLs2p
> =GQJ7
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:23:09 +0100
> From: sam at bristolwireless.net
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Take action, with Google?!
> Message-ID:
> 	<20140529152309.Horde.140dbRbBWnd84b3UX5AOaw4 at slackmail.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed";
> 	DelSp="Yes"
>
> Thanks Mark
>
> Just what I was looking for. Now using it as my default search.
>
> I didn't get along with the blue theme, but this fixed that:
> http://userstyles.org/styles/browse/startpage
>
> I tried Duckduckgo in the past didn't rate their search.
>
> Best
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> Quoting mark <mark at aktivix.org>:
>
>> On 29/05/14 13:48, sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I also confess to using some Google services, particularly search
>>> since the demise of Scroogle.
>>
>> Have look at https://startpage.com/
>
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> Name: not available
> Type: application/pgp-keys
> Size: 1348 bytes
> Desc: PGP Public Key
> URL: <https://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/hacktionlab/attachments/20140529/6eaa4861/attachment-0001.key>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:25:40 +0000
> From: Garcon du Monde <gdm at fifthhorseman.net>
> To: sam at bristolwireless.net
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Take action, with Google?!
> Message-ID: <20140529152539.GA31017 at bellatrix.redetoile.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> hi sam (and anyone else out there in a similar position),
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 03:23:09PM +0100, sam at bristolwireless.net wrote:
>
>> pub  1024D/0x1753463CEF50D7E5 2013-04-28 Sam Rossiter (2) <sam at bristolwireless.net>
>> sub  1024g/0x57BEF2A71F3BB7A8 2013-04-28
>
> just to point out that it's probably a good idea to update your key, as
> those based on 1024 DSA should be considered not secure:
>
>    The Digital Signature Algorithm, in its original form, only allowed
>    maximum 1024-bit asymmetric keys, and the signature process itself
>    signs a 160-bit hash, initially officially specified as SHA-1. This
>    means that 1024-bit DSA keys should be phased out as well.
>
>    So if you have a 1024-bit DSA key as your primary key ... you should
>    consider creating a new primary key and starting the migration
>    process.
>
> FROM: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 (which
> also advises on how to migrate your key).
>
> solidarity,
>
> 	--gdm
>