[HacktionLab] HacktionLab Digest, Vol 113, Issue 13

Mon Mar 26 12:14:18 UTC 2018

Stepaway were you can.

We need more good UI openweb projects to stepaway too.

The #geekproblem is still a stumbling block on any significant number of
people taking this step.

Hamish

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 13:06 , <hacktionlab-request at lists.aktivix.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Facebook exodus & where are people going (Ben Green)
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> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:58:04 +0100
> From: Ben Green <ben at bristolwireless.net>
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> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Facebook exodus & where are people going
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> Hi all,
>
> this post reads "Facebook exodus", but then the responses are all
> about either micro blogging or personal messaging platforms. I now
> have to have Signal, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, IRC client, SMS,
> Whatsapp and so on all installed on my phone/computer so that I can
> communicate with groups who have a particular preference. Frankly I
> don't need any more this thread has now given me another 8 platforms
> to look at isn't really helpful.
>
> Those services, micro blogging and personal messaging, are not the
> reason Facebook has become ubiquitous. It's the extended suite of
> services. For me, the event calendaring is the most useful part of
> facebook. I can contact groups who I know have signed up as being
> interested in an event, and see the events I've signed up for in
> calendar form. Other people might have different needs.
>
> We aren't going to stop Facebook with more and more and more micro
> blog/personal messenger platforms. I don't need more ways of people
> contacting me and I don't need more pictures of peoples meals. There
> needs to be an effort to find the useful and societaly enriching parts
> of Facebook and to have our own empowering services which take the
> best parts of the proprietary platforms and give them choice, security
> and privacy.
>
>
> 2p,
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
>
> Quoting ekes <ekes at aktivix.org>:
>
> > On 26/03/18 11:30, Paula Graham wrote:
> >> Nearest thing to whatsapp would be telegram but purists get sniffy
> >> about encryption protocols and it doesn't encrypt by default.
> >
> > Think the common alternative is Signal - lots of people offer me their
> > Signal number these days.
> >
> > My preference, as it doesn't need a telephone number, will work on all
> > devices without jumping through hoops, and is generally more flexible
> > regarding encrypted/not encrypted/groups/chats/bridging to other
> > networks etc. is riot/matrix:
> >
> > https://chat.disroot.org/ is my suggested instance (although I actually
> > use https://chat.weho.st - they all federate)
> > https://about.riot.im/ for apps to download.
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:02:13 +0000
> From: sean <seankenny at gmail.com>
> To: Benjamin Green <ben at bristolwireless.net>
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Facebook exodus & where are people going
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> Shame I can't Like Ben's post :)
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 11:58 Ben Green, <ben at bristolwireless.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > this post reads "Facebook exodus", but then the responses are all
> > about either micro blogging or personal messaging platforms. I now
> > have to have Signal, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, IRC client, SMS,
> > Whatsapp and so on all installed on my phone/computer so that I can
> > communicate with groups who have a particular preference. Frankly I
> > don't need any more this thread has now given me another 8 platforms
> > to look at isn't really helpful.
> >
> > Those services, micro blogging and personal messaging, are not the
> > reason Facebook has become ubiquitous. It's the extended suite of
> > services. For me, the event calendaring is the most useful part of
> > facebook. I can contact groups who I know have signed up as being
> > interested in an event, and see the events I've signed up for in
> > calendar form. Other people might have different needs.
> >
> > We aren't going to stop Facebook with more and more and more micro
> > blog/personal messenger platforms. I don't need more ways of people
> > contacting me and I don't need more pictures of peoples meals. There
> > needs to be an effort to find the useful and societaly enriching parts
> > of Facebook and to have our own empowering services which take the
> > best parts of the proprietary platforms and give them choice, security
> > and privacy.
> >
> >
> > 2p,
> > Cheers,
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > Quoting ekes <ekes at aktivix.org>:
> >
> > > On 26/03/18 11:30, Paula Graham wrote:
> > >> Nearest thing to whatsapp would be telegram but purists get sniffy
> > >> about encryption protocols and it doesn't encrypt by default.
> > >
> > > Think the common alternative is Signal - lots of people offer me their
> > > Signal number these days.
> > >
> > > My preference, as it doesn't need a telephone number, will work on all
> > > devices without jumping through hoops, and is generally more flexible
> > > regarding encrypted/not encrypted/groups/chats/bridging to other
> > > networks etc. is riot/matrix:
> > >
> > > https://chat.disroot.org/ is my suggested instance (although I
> actually
> > > use https://chat.weho.st - they all federate)
> > > https://about.riot.im/ for apps to download.
> > >
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> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:14:02 +0100
> From: "mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org" <mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org>
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> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Facebook exodus & where are people going
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> On 26/03/18 10:58, Ben Green wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > We aren't going to stop Facebook with more and more and more micro
> > blog/personal messenger platforms. I don't need more ways of people
> > contacting me and I don't need more pictures of peoples meals. There
> > needs to be an effort to find the useful and societaly enriching parts
> > of Facebook and to have our own empowering services which take the
> > best parts of the proprietary platforms and give them choice, security
> > and privacy.
>
> I think you are right Ben about the issue of the events convening aspect
> being the thing that is most missing and most attractive about FB
> What about this as a more holistic response!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxV23IiR9DU
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