[LAF] Anarchist Bookfair : Voluntary Sex Workers
steve ash
steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Jul 21 23:17:17 UTC 2009
We have two slots at the Anarchist Bookfair this year, I'm talking to various radical feminists and sex workers about a presentation in favour of free sex work for one. The other I'll leave open for something else, any ideas anyone?
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:43:17 +0100
> From: "VolodyA! V Anarhist" <Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org>
> Subject: Re: [LAF] Girls Behind Bars installation
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> > What:
> > 'Girls Behind Bars' installation as a part of Women's
> Exhibition
> > As the name suggests it is the art installation about
> girls in prison.
> >
> > Whom:
> > Eve McDougall as a member of GLADA
> >
> > Where:
> > City Hall (2nd floor)
> > http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=london+city+hall&sll=54.7355,55.991982&sspn=0.281866,0.891953&ie=UTF8&ll=51.505083,-0.082945&spn=0.004748,0.013937&z=17&iwloc=A
> >
> > When:
> > Until 23rd of July
>
> I went and took some photos of Eve McDougall's
> installation. In the event if
> some of you won't be able to go and are interested:
> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1033657/Political/photo_2009Jul20_london_city_hall_glada_eve_mcdougall.7z
>
>
> - Volodya
>
> P.S. Photos don't do it justice, i really suggest that if
> you can make it you
> should.
>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:53:19 +0000
> From: Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAF] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
> To: Edmund McArthur <antines at yahoo.co.uk>,
> LAF EMAIL LIST
> <laf at lists.aktivix.org>,
> <sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk>
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> Hear, hear.
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:10:49 +0000
> From: antines at yahoo.co.uk
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org;
> sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [LAF] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
>
> Sarah,
>
> I think you have hit upone something very important
>
> In a future stateless. moneyless society there could still
> be mechanisms of social control such as you say.
> access to food shelter etc. I t would be interesting to find
> some research into the various communal experiments over the
> past 200 years
> to see how much better they were for woman and children,
> not a lot I suspect
>
> I have always argued that anarchism if its to work would
> require a fundamental
> change in human psychology rather than just over throwing
> the state as some think
> its supposed to be about abolishing ALL coercive
> relationships not just the state and capitalism, clearly
> most anarchist men are still no better in their attitudes to
> women than any other men
>
> Any man who visits a prostitute or otherwise supports
> the sex industry as a customer
> is re enforcing the coercion of woman and displaying a
> misogynistic attitude of the worst kind
>
> It would be interesting to know why it is that defense of
> the sex industry is considered so important when there are
> so many other causes, not least woman's rights that need to
> be fought for.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed MacArthur 07981 900
> 563
>
>
>
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> see also
> www.freewebs.com/bookevents
> Conway Hall Sunday Concerts
> www.conwayhallsundayconcerts.org.uk
> www.freewebs.com/secularcivilrights
>
>
>
>
>
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> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Sarah C L <sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sarah C L <sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: [Nestle] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 6:52 AM
>
>
>
>
> I?ve been on this list for a while, and contributed a
> couple of times, but I?ve been largely put off in the past
> by the sexism of some of the posters. Joy, Ed, thank you for
> your continued efforts to stand up to this barrage of
> woman-hating.
>
> It?s like I?ve fallen through a time-warp back to the
> ?sexual revolution? of the sixties, when they celebrated
> rapists and child abusers as ?sexual outlaws? and thought
> prostitution would die out because ?sexually liberated?
> women would do for free what you had to pay prostitutes to
> do.
>
> So, we have Steve, who thinks that sex is a human right,
> but freedom from compulsory sexual activity isn?t. Yes, you
> pay lip-service to ?sex equality?, by saying that women will
> have access to this ?charitable prostitution?, but really
> this is about shawing up male entitlement and male
> privilege.
>
> And we have Volodya, who only wants to hang out with
> ?empowered sex
> workers? (ie already privileged individuals who have
> embraced ?sex work? as part of their ?transgressive?
> lifestyle choice), and would rather hear pimps? and
> pornographers? accounts of the sex industry than hear from
> those who have been chewed up and spat out of the system.
> Because victims are boring and whiney and not-sexy, and
> anyway, victims aren?t people, so it doesn?t matter what
> happens to them. And if any one disagrees with you, that
> means they hate sex, so you don?t have to listen to them
> either!
>
> Do either of you actually realise that women are human in
> exactly the same way you are? Our bodies feel things in
> exactly the same way yours does, and what you would
> experience as abuse and degradation, we would experience in
> exactly the same way.
>
> You don?t get to pick and choose which hierarchies you
> oppose and which you want to keep, bell hooks didn?t call it
> ?white supremacist capitalist patriarchy?
> for no good reason; all forms of hierarchy are
> intertwined. You want a world with out capitalism and the
> state, but you don?t want to give up sex hierarchy.
>
> Presumably, in your putative anarchist community, men would
> co-operate horizontally to oppress women and ensure they
> continued to sexually service men, either through direct
> violence, or through control of economic recourses (food,
> shelter). It sounds more like the Swat valley than anything
> any woman would recognise as utopia.
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
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> From: Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAF] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
> To: Sarah Loewenbein <sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk>,
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> Ed
> The Bookchin book Sarah recommends would be a good one for
> the SPES Book Club, methinks.
> Joy
>
> From: sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:49:30 +0100
> Subject: Re: [LAF] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Re. alternative communities, if you haven't read it
> already, I can recommend Murry Bookchin's The Ecology of
> Freedom. In it he examines accounts of Native American
> cultures just before they were finally destroyed by European
> invaders, and the early Christian communities that
> experimented with different ways of living, to give accounts
> of possible ways for human beings to interact. I recommend
> it even though at one point he quotes de Sade (yuck, yuck,
> yuck!) in relation to women's sexual liberation.
>
> Sarah
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:10:49 +0000
> From: antines at yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [LAF] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org;
> sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk
>
> Sarah,
>
> I think you have hit upone something very important
>
> In a future stateless. moneyless society there could still
> be mechanisms of social control such as you say.
> access to food shelter etc. I t would be interesting to find
> some research into the various communal experiments over the
> past 200 years
> to see how much better they were for woman and children,
> not a lot I suspect
>
> I have always argued that anarchism if its to work would
> require a fundamental
> change in human psychology rather than just over throwing
> the state as some think
> its supposed to be about abolishing ALL coercive
> relationships not just the state and capitalism, clearly
> most anarchist men are still no better in their attitudes to
> women than any other men
>
> Any man who visits a prostitute or otherwise supports
> the sex industry as a customer
> is re enforcing the coercion of woman and displaying a
> misogynistic attitude of the worst kind
>
> It would be interesting to know why it is that defense of
> the sex industry is considered so important when there are
> so many other causes, not least woman's rights that need to
> be fought for.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed MacArthur 07981 900
> 563
>
>
>
> www.eventsandissues.bravehost.com
> see also
> www.freewebs.com/bookevents
> Conway Hall Sunday Concerts
> www.conwayhallsundayconcerts.org.uk
> www.freewebs.com/secularcivilrights
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Sarah C L <sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sarah C L <sarah.c.l at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: [Nestle] Disgusted by the misogyny on this list
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 6:52 AM
>
>
>
>
> I?ve been on this list for a while, and contributed a
> couple of times, but I?ve been largely put off in the past
> by the sexism of some of the posters. Joy, Ed, thank you for
> your continued efforts to stand up to this barrage of
> woman-hating.
>
> It?s like I?ve fallen through a time-warp back to the
> ?sexual revolution? of the sixties, when they celebrated
> rapists and child abusers as ?sexual outlaws? and thought
> prostitution would die out because ?sexually liberated?
> women would do for free what you had to pay prostitutes to
> do.
>
> So, we have Steve, who thinks that sex is a human right,
> but freedom from compulsory sexual activity isn?t. Yes, you
> pay lip-service to ?sex equality?, by saying that women will
> have access to this ?charitable prostitution?, but really
> this is about shawing up male entitlement and male
> privilege.
>
> And we have Volodya, who only wants to hang out with
> ?empowered sex
> workers? (ie already privileged individuals who have
> embraced ?sex work? as part of their ?transgressive?
> lifestyle choice), and would rather hear pimps? and
> pornographers? accounts of the sex industry than hear from
> those who have been chewed up and spat out of the system.
> Because victims are boring and whiney and not-sexy, and
> anyway, victims aren?t people, so it doesn?t matter what
> happens to them. And if any one disagrees with you, that
> means they hate sex, so you don?t have to listen to them
> either!
>
> Do either of you actually realise that women are human in
> exactly the same way you are? Our bodies feel things in
> exactly the same way yours does, and what you would
> experience as abuse and degradation, we would experience in
> exactly the same way.
>
> You don?t get to pick and choose which hierarchies you
> oppose and which you want to keep, bell hooks didn?t call it
> ?white supremacist capitalist patriarchy?
> for no good reason; all forms of hierarchy are
> intertwined. You want a world with out capitalism and the
> state, but you don?t want to give up sex hierarchy.
>
> Presumably, in your putative anarchist community, men would
> co-operate horizontally to oppress women and ensure they
> continued to sexually service men, either through direct
> violence, or through control of economic recourses (food,
> shelter). It sounds more like the Swat valley than anything
> any woman would recognise as utopia.
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
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