[LAF] LAF
steve ash
steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Jun 15 05:15:28 UTC 2009
Sorry to hear of Ed's feelings on the Friday, though its understandable. I think the whole Anarchist movement is a shambles that needs to pull itself together (particularly LARC who let us down badly on the night). I'm glad Ed has agreed to carry on being our 'webmaster'. Hope you get back on board when we get things rolling again Ed.
But lets focus on LAF and I agree with Vol that we can get back on track, there are too few genuine anarchist groups in London to let things slide. Though the only problem I see at the moment is free venues and the number of committed attendees, but given that I don't think we should bend over backwards to fix dates suitable for everyone, we can give a few options and that's it, at the end of the day if people aren't that bothered to state their best dates we can just fix one ourselves. I consider consensus as something generously offered but not a liability to be enslaved to if people aren't willing to make an effort :).
We need to get numbers up too, mainly by attracting ordinary people like we used to I think, not just anarchos or activists, so then it doesn't matter if not everyone can make it to a particular meeting. I've had some success with getting people interested via Facebook, though not many have come to the meetings still (apart from Friday, when we actually had a fairly good attendance of about nine people). And I confess I've been too busy with my own projects to even read this mailing list very often, though that should change by July.
For the record the only thing that really went wrong on Friday was LARCs incompetence in not being open when we booked a room there (maybe Vol should have got some more telephone numbers for them, but none of us realised they could be so unreliable, I certainly didnt). I'll be advising most anarchists I know not to have anything to do with them until they sort themselves out. Everything else was the fallout from that. I'll post a more specific account of that in a moment.
I'm very interested in the computer talk and will contribute (particular on the virtues of Facebook which I think is far more useful for anarchist 'propaganda' than most people realise, we should be using our 'enemies' media much more in my view). Tho its my own experience that few anarchists are that enthusiastic about technology and so it may be a low attended one again, unless we advertise it extremely intensively and on multiple websites from now on, which I'm prepared to help with. So as far as I'm concerned the date is now fixed on the 24th July, we can work out a venue in the meantime.
I'm not at all disheartened about Friday as I don't think any of us did anything wrong, some of us were there by 7 as LARC wanted, but they weren't, its as simple as that.
I'll post something re the actual Friday meeting in a moment.
Steve
p.s. I like Vol's stated mailout, my only quibble is I don't think we are necessarily about action, more about anarchist education (of each other), so I think the 'those calling for change platform' may seem too 'activist', though that's just my view (its open to debate as usual). I think some groups should specialise in action and others in discussion and thinking, both are valuable and people good at one arent always good at another. So making the LAF sound like an activist group may be a bit off putting for some when they find we dont actually do anything. But we should be able to redirect them to groups who do, some of which we may or may not be associated with ourselves in other roles. I also agree with a suggestion made by Vol that some kind of better networking between anarchist and semi-anarchist groups is called for.
More soon.
--- On Sat, 13/6/09, laf-request at lists.aktivix.org <laf-request at lists.aktivix.org> wrote:
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> Subject: LAF Digest, Vol 52, Issue 16
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> Date: Saturday, 13 June, 2009, 12:00 PM
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> 4. Problems with Computer Culture
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:52:07 +0100
> From: "VolodyA! V Anarhist" <Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org>
> Subject: [LAF] Rada has introduced criminal penalty for
> possession of
> pornography
> To: List - All Gender Group <allgendergroup at lists.riseup.net>,
> List -
> London Anarchist Forum <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
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> In Russian:
> http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/866485
>
> My translation:
> Higher Rada of Ukraine has included changes into the
> section 301 into the
> Criminal Codex of Ukraine (on responsibility for possession
> of the creations,
> depictions or objects of pornographic character).
>
> 343 of the members of Rada have voted for, out of the total
> of 428 who were present.
>
> Specifically, in section 301 of the Criminal Codex, where
> there is a definition
> of import, production, selling, and distribution of
> pornographic objects now the
> word "possession" was added.
>
> Because of this section, stated actions are punishable by
> 50 to 100 minimal
> monthly pay rates or arrest for the period of six months,
> or limitation of
> freedom for the period of up to three years with the
> confiscation of the
> pornographic objects and means of their production and
> distribution.
>
> As was reported, Rada is intending to make the
> responsibility for the child
> pornography more harsh.
>
> My response:
> And after this people will still be telling me that it is
> those who watch
> pornography who abuse somebody. You can have "limited
> freedom" for 3 years for
> looking at people fucking.
>
> -
> Volodya
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ed McArthur <antines at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [LAF] LAF: Iam Winding Down My Involvement
> To: London Anarchist Forum <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
> Cc: steve ash <steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk>,
> Jayne
> <freedomcopy at aol.com>,
> Barry ODea <barryjodea at yahoo.co.uk>,
> Biofilo
> Panclasta <biofilopanclasta at live.co.uk>,
> Scott Wakham
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> Friday 12th June 2009
> 2:32pm BST
> Comrades
> Some months ago I I posted that I was winding down my
> involvement
> but although Steve got the speaker for tonight and Volodya
> booked the venue
> I have still managed to get myself the job of facilitator?
> and endied up promising to come
> when I would rather not
> Further more having been rash enough to suggest a topic for
> July
> I found myself as usual trying to get people to agree a
> date
> ?
> I have decided to go back to my firm decision and after
> tonight
> will only do what I outline below
> ?
> I am willing to:
> Receive and circulate details of confirmed events
> ?
> Continue to post them on the LAF page of that site and
> uodate the page
> on receipt of new information
> ?
> (If you want to crate a new LAF Page I can put a link to
> the new page
> and someone else can up date the new page? that is fine by
> me either way
> but at present a google search will come up with my site,
> so I need to know one way or the other)
> ?
> For tonight only I will produce a piece of paper with a
> blurb and contact
> information? I am happy for my box number to be used? but
> if people
> dont want to join the list then they will have to email
> some one else
> If anyone writes to the box(likely to be quite rare I am
> willing to send them
> details of meeting by post as long as they have enclosed
> stamps as requested
> ?
> I an Not Willing To:
> ?
> Find Speakers Or Venues
> ?
> Try to arrange a date that suits everyone
> ?
> Produce any publicity flyers
> ?
> I will not be attending meetings in the future, so you can
> go ahead or not with the symposium on problems with computer
> culture on the 24th July or any other date that suits enough
> people
> ?
> I am pretty disillusioned and depressed and after tonight I
> suspect I shall be even more so,
> ?
> I wont be comming to the Curry House
> again?
> ?
> ?I hope to find some one soon to do the July Book Club
> and to concentrate on Black Cat Press and the Freethought
> History Research
> Group
> Cheers
> Ed
> ?
>
>
> Ed McArthur?? 07981? 900? 563???????????
> ?
> ?
>
> www.eventsandissues.bravehost.com
> see also
> www.freewebs.com/bookevents
> Conway Hall Sunday Concerts
> www.conwayhallsundayconcerts.org.uk
> www.freewebs.com/secularcivilrights
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ??
> ?
> ?
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:20:39 -0700 (PDT)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:44:02 +0100
> From: "VolodyA! V Anarhist" <Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org>
> Subject: [LAF] Problems with Computer Culture
> To: List - London Anarchist Forum <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
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> Please reply to this e-mail with the following
> information:
>
> 1. Are you interested in this symposium?
> 2. Will you attend?
> 3. Will you have anything to say?
> 4. Will you present a paper?
> and if the answer is 'yes' to at least 2 of these:
> 5. What dates will be suitable for you?
>
> We can sort out the venue, even if it's just in a pub or a
> green bar after we
> decide what we are doing. Otherwise we will end up talking
> about what suits or
> doesn't suit us forever, and nothing will happen.
>
>
> - Volodya
>
> P.S. I'm getting quite disheartened (not quite like Ed)
> after yesterday's
> meeting, and think we really need to pull ourselves out of
> the gutter.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:56:46 +0100
> From: "VolodyA! V Anarhist" <Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org>
> Subject: [LAF] Possible way to advertise
> To: List - London Anarchist Forum <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
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> I propose sending the following message out:
>
> ==============
>
> Greetings,
>
> London Anarchist Forum, a decentralised group of anarchists
> and like-minded
> individuals, has been in existence since 1983. We provide a
> platform for anybody
> whose goal is to bring forth the radical change and who is
> thinking about how to
> do that.
>
> There are many huge divides in today's movement, and one
> such divide is between
> people who are interested in voicing their views and those
> who are willing to
> listen. So if you have something that you always wanted to
> share, some topic
> that interests you please do not hesitate to contact us and
> we will do our best
> to arrange a way for you to speak.
>
> There are several ways that people can organise the
> discussion within LAF:
> * Talk and discussion - the most straight forward way, for
> when the speaker has
> much that needs to be said without interruption, but yet
> allows for the
> discussion afterwards.
> * Symposium - best suited for the topics where there are
> numerous opinions and
> multiple positions which are voiced by different people.
> * Fascilitated discussion - this is great for the topics
> where either very
> little has been said so far, or where there are only very
> few dogmatic
> ideologies which dominate the discourse.
>
> Of course, if you wish to structure something in a
> different, original way, we
> are more than happy to listen to your suggestions.
>
> Remember, we do not promise to agree with everything (or
> anything for that
> matter) of what you have to say, we do not promise to take
> on your causes and
> challenges. We do, however, allow you to speak your mind in
> the world where
> *that* is a most horrible crime.
>
> Contact details:
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
> ==============
>
> What do you think?
>
> - Volodya
>
>
>
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