[matilda] Guiding Principles.

[dougald hine]

I like "grassroots space". "Autonomous zone" is from Hakim Bey, and as
soon as you invoke him someone starts an argument about paedophilia.

On 8/4/05, gavin at cyber-rights.net <gavin at cyber-rights.net> wrote:
> How about substituting "grassroots space" for political space,
> then? Or "autonomous zone" even.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 05:11:58 -0700 dougald hine
> <writetodougald at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Nice work, Ben!
> >
> >It occurred to me the other day that we need to remember, when
> >talking
> >about guiding principles, that we aren't starting with a blank
> >canvas.
> >We were invited into this building by Mark, who's had a business
> >here
> >for fifteen years and spent the last five years fighting the
> >council
> >and Hallam university.
> >
> >I think everyone can see how excited he is about being involved in
> >what we're all doing. But when we've been talking about whether or
> 
> >not
> >to allow any profit-making activity in the space, we lose track of
> 
> >the
> >fact that it's already happening!
> >
> >As for the PGA hallmarks, I don't think we'll get consensus around
> >their being necessary for the space. For my part, it's not that I
> >object to them, but that I object to the idea that the space
> >should be
> >exclusively for the use of people who sign up to them. I think
> >there
> >are people we can usefully work with who may be put off by us
> >having a
> >manifesto over and above the practical structures which, as Gavin
> >says, are already emerging.
> >
> >For a similar reason, I wonder if we need the word political in
> >the
> >following sentence: "It is a political space for use by community
> >groups and activists who are unable to afford the high rent
> >charged by
> >commercial venues." My experience is that announcing yourself as
> >"political" puts off a lot of people who've had bad experiences of
> >"political" organisations - whereas just doing what we mean by
> >"political" can excite and surprise people who don't think of
> >themselves as interested in politics. Does that make any sense?
> >
> >D.
> >x
> >
> >ps - when I was a kid, we had this great German picture book about
> 
> >the
> >Familie Maulwurf (Mole Family). I'll have to dig it out and see if
> 
> >its
> >open to a Marxian reading...
> >
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