[matilda] Guiding Principles.

[R&A]

:-)
yes why not "autonomous zone", but i don't agree with stopping using a 
word because some persons misunderstand it, such as "political"... why 
not keep using both terms, dougald?


We mean two different texts: (at least) one for the board or notice wall 
of a public room in Matilda, another to be published on 
indymedia...Interesting research and literary work under way (such as 
quotations for Mole habitat, by Gavin) may be written  down on the Wiki, 
so that they may be used recycled etc. BTW. couldn't we import some of 
the sheffield social forum org wiki into Matilda's?

Plus: we still need a text about the background and origins of the 
MATILDA project (Yorkshire forward, Mark's struggle, g8, I mean, explain 
the historical background, in -depth if necessary. Here, mozaz' quest in 
search of a studio, etc.

(i understood text was discussed on Monday meeting (i can't attend until 
mid August) but his author himself offered it for open discussion and 
"ripping apart" (see messages, dear worldwarfree)

R&A

gavin at cyber-rights.net wrote:

>How about substituting "grassroots space" for political space, 
>then? Or "autonomous zone" even.
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>On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 05:11:58 -0700 dougald hine 
><writetodougald at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Nice work, Ben!
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>>It occurred to me the other day that we need to remember, when 
>>talking
>>about guiding principles, that we aren't starting with a blank 
>>canvas.
>>We were invited into this building by Mark, who's had a business 
>>here
>>for fifteen years and spent the last five years fighting the 
>>council
>>and Hallam university.
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>>I think everyone can see how excited he is about being involved in
>>what we're all doing. But when we've been talking about whether or 
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>>to allow any profit-making activity in the space, we lose track of 
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>>fact that it's already happening!
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>>As for the PGA hallmarks, I don't think we'll get consensus around
>>their being necessary for the space. For my part, it's not that I
>>object to them, but that I object to the idea that the space 
>>should be
>>exclusively for the use of people who sign up to them. I think 
>>there
>>are people we can usefully work with who may be put off by us 
>>having a
>>manifesto over and above the practical structures which, as Gavin
>>says, are already emerging.
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>>For a similar reason, I wonder if we need the word political in 
>>the
>>following sentence: "It is a political space for use by community
>>groups and activists who are unable to afford the high rent 
>>charged by
>>commercial venues." My experience is that announcing yourself as
>>"political" puts off a lot of people who've had bad experiences of
>>"political" organisations - whereas just doing what we mean by
>>"political" can excite and surprise people who don't think of
>>themselves as interested in politics. Does that make any sense?
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>>D.
>>x
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>>ps - when I was a kid, we had this great German picture book about 
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>>Familie Maulwurf (Mole Family). I'll have to dig it out and see if 
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>>its
>>open to a Marxian reading...
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>>-- 
>>Dougald Hine
>>46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD
>>(+44)(0)7810 650213
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