[matilda] keys and maggots

[Amparo P Gutierrez]

> It means
> people could be texted the code to get in should they need, so people who need
> access can get in. Problem is it's arguably not as secure unless 

  what if you don't have a mobile to be texted the code (urgently, at 
door entry and nobody in, for example)?
>  The easiest, and safest, thing would be
>> to get the centre well enough used it's permenantly occupied anyways:)
>> 

o but the ring bell sounds so harshly the whole building re-echoes...



Jase wrote:
>>>if you are outside wanting to get in how a signing-out book inside
>>>the building can help you then? Am I just been very stupid?
>>
>>
>>Not at all. Guess you'd be in prior agreement with persons inside, so
>>that you are certain that someone from your collective will be there to
>>open door for you. The purpose of the keybook would be to keep track of
>>each keyholder or
>>keyholding person, not implying each key has to be placed back whenever
>>that person is leaving the building. eg if you have the key for the time
>>being, you keep it with you all time, even at your home and you are
>>liable for what happens to that key, including writing down your
>>details: your name, contact, date when the key was handed to you by the
>>  LTT, and so on.
> 
> 
> Imagine main problem with this would be that someone wants to get in and their
> groups key is at work or on holiday etc. Could have a keyholder rota with
> their name on the door, say one for each day, who would be ok coming down and
> opening up should someone need access. The easiest, and safest, thing would be
> to get the centre well enough used it's permenantly occupied anyways:)
> 
> 
>>I don't know what an electronic key-pad system would do, what would
>>the advantages be?
>>
> 
> 
> There are mechanical key pad locks (cheaper than electronic) with about five
> numbered buttons. A 4 or 5 digit code (pressing the buttons in a particular
> order) opens the lock. The code can be changed with little fuss. It means
> people could be texted the code to get in should they need, so people who need
> access can get in. Problem is it's arguably not as secure unless the code is
> changed regularly and code locks cost from about £400 before fitting. Could be
> ways of getting hold of cheaper I would've thought but with insurance and
> stuff that might not be a route worth going down.
> 
> 
>>
>>Benjamin Major wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What are the security implications for a key-pad system with a code
>>>that changes regularly? Is this a very expensive undertaking?
>>>
>>>The Commonplace have exactly the same problem with keys, you know,
>>>and even after six months haven't solved it. But at the meeting on
>>>Sunday I remember this was brought up as a future possibility. A
>>>visting person (like myself) from a collective over in the States was
>>> going on about how easy they find it using a an electronic key-pad
>>>system.
>>>
>>>But as far as keys go: Gav's understanding seems about right. Though
>>> I don't understand how if you are outside wanting to get in how a
>>>signing-out book inside the building can help you then? Am I just
>>>been very stupid?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: <gavin at cyber-rights.net> To: <matilda at lists.aktivix.org>,
>>>><robin_amparo at tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005
>>>>08:18:30 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Argh! Keys!
>>>>
>>>>I thought what was agreed was that each collective could copy
>>>>itself a key and that they were then responsible for it. It was
>>>>suggested by me that the best way to do that might be for each
>>>>collective to have a 'signing out book' for their key so they knew
>>>>who in the collective had it. And yes, it might be helpful
>>>>collectives painted their key to indentify it to prevent mix ups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:57:04 -0700 R&A <robin_amparo at tiscali.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>another two options for the LTT,
>>>>>
>>>>>**Just label each key handed out with the recipient's name; write
>>>>> down that name on a kind of "key register book" or keybook
>>>>>(might be done on wiki); and keep recording each key-related
>>>>>data: date when key handed out, date when returned, copies made
>>>>>of that key if any, by/for whom, and so on...
>>>>>
>>>>>**OR, Have a person continuously devoted to key handling as
>>>>>porter, at a kind of reception desk, with separate key boxes as
>>>>>in hotels perhaps.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMHO, the first option could be better, if ever necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>>o about maggots: cleaning and maintenance of public kitchen,
>>>>>dining hall and toilet areas should be kept as an early priority
>>>>> don't you think, including rubbish handling,
>>>>>
>>>>>Triumphalistically,
>>>>>
>>>>>Leopoldo and Amp
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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