[matilda] Re: conflict, resolution (continuation)

[Anthony Mullen]

Dear all,
        I am not prepared to currently join in
discussions on this list.  I think that, at the
moment, this list does more harm than good.

I will, however, respond to inaccuracies written about
myself.

I am not a member of the Anarchist Federation.  (nor
have I ever been nor even considered joining).

The posting I sent to the list did not trigger a
series of moderations.  It was conceived, written and
posted after the moderations (hence the thanks to C
for his action).

I would ask that people's names not be used on the
list.  (How many times has this already been asked).

love & rage
Rocky


--- Amparo P Gutierrez <amparo2yo at telefonica.net>
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> > [matilda] Re: conflict, resolution (continuation)
> > Chris chris at aktivix.org
> > Sat Dec 3 09:56:41 GMT 2005
> > 
> >     * Previous message: [matilda] Re: conflict,
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> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > On Sat 03-Dec-2005 at 03:14:15AM +0000, Amparo P
> Gutierrez
> > wrote:
> >> Now, during these last 18 months
> > 
> > It goes back a lot longer than that, many of us
> have been
> > doing political stuff in Sheffield for a long
> time...
> > none of this is new... I could go on, at great
> length so
> > could many others... I would rather not...
> 
> 
> Yes: I pointed out the time 18 months- i have learnt
> about mozaz and 
> yourself. Out of transparency, implying that you may
> have been friends 
> for an even longer time, earlier.
> 
> 
> > 
> >> he's the only one in the list to continue being
> >> moderated. 
> > 
> > Eric is also still moderated...
> > 
> >> moderation on the list, virtual moderation only
> led in
> >> this case to an increase of aggression outside...
> >> artwork was defaced
> > 
> > I do not believe that moderation on this list had
> the
> > direct result of the artwork being defaced. 
> 
> 
> Now here there is a point of discussion: but
> following a chain of 
> events, this is what happened: moderation on mozaz
> and 3 others 
> initially (Joe, Dan, Cuthbert, mozaz): a few days
> later, artwork's 
> defacement (by 3 persons, Cuthbert included): a few
> days later: mozaz's 
> appears to suffer from a nervous breakdown: Joe
> unsubscribes: Cuth asks 
> for private security to be hired on parties...
> 
> Already some other persons have remarked (nd it's
> somewhere on the 
> minutes or agenda) that a space is needed for
> bitchering", to discharge 
> aggression at least verbally.
> 
> Rocky's message triggered, as Mozaz pointed out, a
> string of 
> "moderations" . On mozaz' "fantasies" (as they are
> called) his enemies 
> (or the working class' enemies) are embodied in the
> anarchist federation 
> (Rocky and Joe being members of this af). Can't you
> see the chain?
> 
> Alan is right, and perhaps someone could have helped
> mozaz by not 
> imposing such a strict but also ambiguous code of
> conduct. Particularly 
> taking into account that no "negative" feelings are
> allowed to be 
> expressed. IMHO, this is a mistake. Give it a try,
> let's grant a truce, 
> a margin of trust.
> 
> PS: This is no trivial matter: it relates to
> unresolved conflicts 
> pointing at our inability (lack of skills) to handle
> these situations, 
> as a collective (Dave may have received skilled
> training).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amparo
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >> he continues being moderated (banned)
> > 
> > Moderation is NOT banning. 
> > 
> > If we wanted to ban someone we would NOT accept
> any of
> > their email to the list would we? As far as I can
> recall
> > there are only 2 emails from this person that have
> not
> > been let through and this was several weeks ago...
> > 
> > As I have explained before [1]:
> > 
> >   I think that it'll be approporate to remove the
> >   moderation after a period when there hasn't been
> any
> >   emails that need moderation
> > 
> > If I had read this weeks email with more care
> there are 2
> > emails that I would not have let through [2]
> because they
> > used someones name when it's known that he doesn't
> want
> > his name used on the list and in addition they
> contain
> > fragments of private, off list email... This is
> why the
> > moderation is in place in the first place...
> > 
> > I'd rather not see this list spend endless time on
> this
> > matter...
> 
> 
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