[matilda] 1. Forum 2. Green

[dan at aktivix.org]

1. How far did we get on thinking about a MATILDA forum?  There's a lot of
things to discuss: if we can get that going, this list could be entirely
moderated and used for information only. (I can offer to help with
moderation!)

I can't make Thursdays much these days, but could help with a forum
elsewhere...

2. On greeniness: well, we could go the other way - like Zak Goldsmith, editor
of the Ecologist - and join the Tory party!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1656656,00.html

"For the last couple of years," he says, "I have been thinking a lot about
getting involved in politics." Why not the Green party? "It's not really a
serious party. I don't understand them - all this stuff about revolving
leaders, some of whom are very talented and others who aren't."
Temperamentally, too, this bon viveur is insufficiently ascetic for the Greens.
"I hate that kind of green politics that suggests people ought to live like
monks. There is a problem with the green movement berating people it needs to
have on side. If you live in a system of rampant consumerism, it's pointless to
be continually blamed when you can't really do otherwise."

:)

Quoting dan thomas <audiotino at yahoo.co.uk>:

> Hope people don't mind me posting this, but it's
> important
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> SWP gone green:, genuine or genuine disaster?
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> Many people have commented on the size of the very
> important Climate Change demo, it was apparently the
> largest CC demo ever. However, perusing the pictures
> on indymedia it is clear that there were numerous
> members of SWP/Respect on the demo which added
> considerably to the turnout, and it was heavily
> publicized on their website and other publications. It
> was also heavily flyered by them in the regions.
> However, all this was done late and if it had been
> publicized better it would have been twice as big,
> even without them. I wonder if this is a genuine
> concern for environmental or just another trawl for
> new recruits, (how long before an eco-front)
> 
> However, either way, I think it matters:  to me, the
> danger is if the SWP get involved it(the env
> movement)will see a massive increase in dynamism and
> energy, unfortunately that will be temporary and in
> the long term will be disasterous for the
> environmental movement. One only has to look at the
> shell that is the STWC to see the effects on what was
> once was a vibrant and diverse movement.
> 
> The issue of global warming/climate change it a
> momentous one, they will never be forgiven of they
> destroy the EM*
> 
> Its interesting to note the Green Party largely
> marched as a bloc for the first time, maybe they
> didn’t want to be associated with the SWP.
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