[matilda] Gosh, how history repeats itself...

[dan at aktivix.org]

our class the working class our class the working class...

> how can this be consderd offensive how can it be consderd offensive when i
> write about class but not when jase or ben and others write about such
> issues?

You're singling someone out and attacking them.  If you have a genuine
greivance, propose it for a Monday meeting - as it stands, I think you know
that no-one is going to agree with you.  You're wrong.  Admit it, leave Joe
alone and let's move on.

And no, I'm not provoking you: since MATILDA, I've just become absolutely
unwilling to stand by and listen to you spout the same shit - particularly when
I know what good stuff you can do, if you don't let this crap destroy things
for you - which it will, again and again.

If you're so keen on defending the working class, go learn about em.  You'll get
a bursary, a nice room to stay in, fed every day three times, and be surrounded
by the best people in the world:

http://www.ruskin.ac.uk/courses/index.php

.. working class folk have been learning there for over 100 years.  I promise,
you'll meet some people who'll be really interested to hear your take on what
it means to be working class, and the best way to fight for them.

You'll also have to swear an oath not to burn down the Bodleian library, which
is quite amusing.

When you come out the other side, you'll probably be middle class.

What approach are we supposed to take to you, 0742? When you continue to pick on
people, victimise them, and accuse whole chunks of us of being the very people,
apparently, you want to fight...?

And oh God, why do I believe that writing here is ever going to change
anything...

Go on - go to Oxford and learn something.

love

Dan
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Quoting worldwarfree at riseup.net:

> 
> 
> well dan armchair laughed his head of at your sarcatic remark and to be
> told there is some truth there as there is truth in all perspectives yes
> they differ etc..
> 
> however people think for a moment when there is disagrement when there is
> discord when there is conflict take a look at the roots you find joe moris
> lurking somewhere there
> 
> how can this be consderd offensive how can it be consderd offensive when i
> write about class but not when jase or ben and others write about such
> issues?
> 
> dan in private now on list i tell you.
> 
> stop makeing every effort to provoke me so then you can about going look
> 0742 has not changed and lets remeber june 23 2003 the crime was commited
> against me as so often is crime is commited against the working class only
> when we seek justice we are wrong when the middle class seek justice there
> right?
> 
> well what a messed up world we live within and yes atw told me on list but
> when i see a mass of people this we call the working class without the
> same justice or privalages as this middle class then i'll shout
> 
> when white middle class drop outs and joe morris blatantly attack the
> working class as they did on monday then i'll defend them
> 
> just as would the middle class if been attacked by the working class not
> saying my written word was just perhaps not if look at in further context
> i can see how they could be consderd wrong
> 
> however i also see the wrong in those trying to make matilda a drop out
> zone for theirselves, their egos and mates now on monday we talked about
> including people how can this be when one person walked out some others
> did not attend due to fact it would be conflict because of joe morris and
> his white dreadlocked middle class drop outs?
> 
> of course there are two sides to all of this and here i aint takeing any
> side but that of trying to make matilda more inclusive for the working
> class of many i know simply will not get involved due to likes of joe
> morris perhaps this e mail will mean moderation well there are many ways
> round this then history would be repeating itself
> 
> so in context dan, your assumptions of where 0742 is at and why 0742 has
> written are wrong because you have not e mailed myself or spoken to myself
> to place any thing said onto this list into context you make the
> assumption as so often working class and middle class people do
> 
> perhaps we need to hear more of people understand why they are like they
> are then we might see less conflict in matilda of course i do feel this
> will not happen why because as said so often politics here in the uk
> thrives off conflict
> 
> in context
> 
> kind regards
> 
> 0742
> 
> 
>