[matilda] Doug the man and atw

[Joe Morris]

I think this is a piss take and that this person has joined the mailing list 
for the sole purpose of antagonising everyone.

Regardless, it is interesting that you have responded in such a negative and 
argumentative way, considering you are attacking everyone else for being 
negative and argumentative.

It's obvious that you have never been to matilda. If you had you would 
realise that none of the arguments on the list are a reflection on the 
personal interaction of the actual people writing the emails. The email list 
is so insignificant to the actual decision making process that you cannot 
get any kind of indication on how things operate if you have NEVER been 
there.

Also, for your information many things have and are happening in the space, 
including the Gig space and cafe which people have dedicated huge amounts of 
time, resources and energy into creating, so any implication that we don't 
do anything is not just unfair but patently untrue..As you'd know if you'd 
ever been down there.

On a personal note, I think your email was rude and there were other ways in 
which you could make your point. IF you want to be involved in Matilda, I 
would suggest you get a better understanding on the way things are working 
and the relationships of people which are not defined by this fucking email 
list before randomly attacking everyone. Especially when it is clear no one 
has any idea who you are...Who are you by the way?

J



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"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination"
- Oscar Wilde




----Original Message Follows----
From: "Kathleen Holliday" <otter at blueyonder.co.uk>
Reply-To: Kathleen Holliday <otter at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <matilda at lists.aktivix.org>
Subject: [matilda] Doug the man and atw
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:19:11 +0100

"This mailing list is definitely a pain in the arse sometimes. But the
list isn't everything that happens at Matilda - it's just somewhere
where the more long-winded of us thrash out our sometimes very tedious
arguments. Judging what Matilda achieves by these emails is a bit like
measuring the output of a factory by the conversations that go on in
the canteen."
Beaurocrasy eh? Long winded arguments, wow you sound so Important and Super 
Cool.

The content of conversation in a factory canteen is made by it's workers. 
The output is produced by it's workers, they are directly related. Unless of 
course you think the white collars count for something.

"Your remarks are a reminder that we waste too much energy on silly
inward-focused arguments"
Beaurocrasy again! A symptom of capitalism.

" If your political theory is in denial
about the basic ridiculousness of human beings"
No it isnt. I feel we all have a sacred human presence but many of us don't 
recognise it in others

"If you had a lot of power, with the same
attitude, it would probably make you genocidal."
I have enough power to change my immediate suroundings as does everyone if 
only they knew they did.

"2. What fantastic things are you doing to change the world - except
for criticizing everyone else for failing to change it?"
I speak out and propose solutions, some of these are already being 
implemented.

ATW
"Your thinking reveals an us and you division. Why do you feel so
alienated? To me it seems like you are thinking of yourself as a
consumer and have expectations of us, the providers."

It isn't me that's labelling myself by belonging to a club, or organisation. 
I'm just a survivor who is surviving. I chose my path and I am not 
alienated, just extremely angry at the political, environmental and 
commercial mess that is in our human-collective part of the life of this 
beautiful planet.  It just seems to someone on the outside looking in that 
clowns, parties, beaurocratic meetings and coffee making is not relevant and 
is not taken seriously by the 200 people who do have real power to change 
things. I can't put my acheivements on a public mailing list but I have done 
some and made some changes for the better and influenced the way that some 
people with more power than I have are doing things.
The best thing anyone young enough with a concience can do is to do what I 
said: do a politics degree and go into the heart of Mordor and chuck the 
bloody ring down the mountain.

I haven't had the time as a single mum with kids at school to come from 
outside Sheffield to Matilda, I was thinking of doing you all a mural as I 
have done a few before and am quite nifty at it but I may as well go and do 
one at the old folks home.


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