[matilda] Re: c90/ ticketing and fixed event prices

[gavin at cyber-rights.net]

Hiya,

Okay, just spoke to c90. Tickets haven't gone out yet, and they 
won't now.

c90 aren't taking any profit for themselves, Dan. They asked if it 
would be possible to have some bar money as they have 3 artists 
coming from abroad to play, and they're trying to cover the 
travelling costs. So they have very high costs, and they don't want 
to charge a high ticket price to cover this, and wanted to know if 
the costs could be spread to the bar (to the tune of £100 if poss), 
so the event is more accessible price-wise.

The gig won't have a huge turn out because it's a minority interest 
thing of experimental, noisy, electronica. So it's not really a 
standard club night, and is in line with MATILDA's ideal of 
providing an alternative...the fact we have a free venue makes this 
otherwise costly, non-mainstream gig possible.

I'll ask if they're still willing to do it on a 'suggested 
donation' basis. I will also ask if they're willing to say a bit 
about MATILDA and how it's different, but here's the rub.

What should they say? We haven't agreed a 'what we are' statement 
yet. No other events put on here have used these kind of 
statements, so we might be forced to let this slide, unless anyone 
has any suggestions we can all agree to?

xxx



On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:47:35 -0700 dan at aktivix.org wrote:
>Allo,
>
>1. Fabian - you said last night that it's going to be no more than 

>100-150
>people? Is that definitely right?
>
>Can someone actually confirm this with C90?  Given that they're 
>selling tickets,
>they will know the numbers they've sold and how many they have 
>left. It should
>be limited to a small number.
>
>One of the reasons we thought it was OK last night to let it carry 

>on was due to
>it being quite small, but it has the smell of an assumption to me! 

> We need to
>know.
>
>2. On letting them down.  I couldn't blame them if we hadn't made 
>clear from the
>start how MATILDA worked.  But from what I heard last night, this 
>night doesn't
>sound like the kind of thing we'd agreed we wanted?  It sounds a 
>lot like a
>standard night - we're the owners (except that we're getting no 
>money for it!
>C90 also want £100 from the bar, I hear...) and C90 are the 
>consumers.
>
>It is too late to do much about it now - except to check that the 
>numbers are as
>Fabian says, and that C90 know that we want them limited to that. 
>(If that's
>correct - that's the sense I got from the meeting last night.) 
>Which, in this
>case, they can control because they're selling tickets. No nasty 
>surprises.
>
>Das me
>
>Dan
>
>Quoting fabian <fab at in-no.org>:
>
>> Hi there...
>> 
>> > the c90 gig was already approved, and they've already gone 
>ahead
>> > with this stuff, so we're basically going to shaft them a bit 
>if we
>> > say the tickets they've printed up can't be used.
>> The Collecitve wasn't aware they had their tickets already 
>> printed...that is a problem
>> but we should be able to solve that.
>> The basic concern is that selling tickets in advance does 
>advertise 
>> matilda as a proper venue...
>> with this we might draw attention of jealous clubs around and 
>Matilda 
>> might be much more likely to get trouble with the taxman...
>> what was said today is that matilda as it is at the moment can't 

>be run 
>> as a proper venue and we need to reflect that in the way we do 
>parties, 
>> and in the way we invite people to do parties...
>> >
>> > The idea of interfering with setting a fixed charge is also 
>unfair
>> > to them. They're putting up a lot of money and we're telling 
>them
>> > that they aren't gauranteed an income on the door to cover 
>their
>> > (for this gig, VERY high) costs.
>> nobody wants them to loose money on this...and just because 
>there is a 
>> basic understanding that no one will be turned away doesn't mean 

>that 
>> people will get in easy without paying....as I guess, most 
>guests will 
>> suppose that they have to pay anyway...so there won't be much of 

>a 
>> loss...
>> Anyway -in light of short notice and our obligation to stand for 

>what 
>> we said or didn't say to external people before - I believe we 
>need to 
>> make sure, with the money that comes in through the bar, that 
>C90 will 
>> cover their costs. I understand this as a possible line of 
>compromise 
>> with C90 for not selling tickets in advance but rather insisting 

>
>> (firmly and polite) on the requested/suggested donation on the 
>door.
>> > That doesn't seem fair, and would
>> > discourage me personally from putting on an event. I wouldn't 
>want
>> > to exclude people, but just letting some people in free/on 
>donation
>> > is unsustainable for MATILDA and for promoters, once word got
>> > around that's how we were doing it.
>> We need to get a policy fixed and that might as well 
>disencourage more 
>> expensive parties to be done in Matilda...Promoters need to be 
>aware 
>> what Matilda is and what it is not...they should come to our 
>meetings 
>> really and need to understand on what precarious grounds we 
>are....
>> at the end of the day it is not sustainable to be not able to do 

>
>> parties at all.
>> the basic opinion for now seems to be against pre-selling/fixed 
>> rates...and for benefit/charity/donation basis...that is to say 
>people 
>> gonna get a reason why they are asked to pay in that is other 
>then just 
>> for the running of the party...then it shouldn't be difficult to 

>raise 
>> funds even if people are getting aware that we are bloddy 
>hippies.
>> I think this policy should apply to gigs/filmnights/whatever 
>else with 
>> a cover-charge  as well....
>> and the good thing with this policy is that we can maintain 
>towards 
>> commercial clubs/the taxman that all we're doing is for 
>benefit/DiY and 
>> not for profit...this does put us into a different position if 
>not 
>> legally, then at least politically...
>> f.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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