[matilda] c90/ ticketing and fixed event prices

[cuthbert at riseup.net]

>From what i gathered when i asked about the C90 event a few weeks ago i
was led to beleive that the event would finish around 2 o clock (or even
earlier).  In this case it would be more like a gig as oppose to a party. 
If this is the case then there shouldnt be so many problems as by the time
the police turn up people will be starting to leave.

On the issue of how the money is going to be split, if they are wanting a
'suggested donation' of £5 and 100 people turn up then i think that is
alot of money and if they have costs above that then we shouldnt feel
guilty declining their reqest for some of the bar money.

from
cuthbert


> Allo,
>
> 1. Fabian - you said last night that it's going to be no more than 100-150
> people? Is that definitely right?
>
> Can someone actually confirm this with C90?  Given that they're selling
> tickets,
> they will know the numbers they've sold and how many they have left. It
> should
> be limited to a small number.
>
> One of the reasons we thought it was OK last night to let it carry on was
> due to
> it being quite small, but it has the smell of an assumption to me!  We
> need to
> know.
>
> 2. On letting them down.  I couldn't blame them if we hadn't made clear
> from the
> start how MATILDA worked.  But from what I heard last night, this night
> doesn't
> sound like the kind of thing we'd agreed we wanted?  It sounds a lot like
> a
> standard night - we're the owners (except that we're getting no money for
> it!
> C90 also want £100 from the bar, I hear...) and C90 are the consumers.
>
> It is too late to do much about it now - except to check that the numbers
> are as
> Fabian says, and that C90 know that we want them limited to that. (If
> that's
> correct - that's the sense I got from the meeting last night.) Which, in
> this
> case, they can control because they're selling tickets. No nasty
> surprises.
>
> Das me
>
> Dan
>
> Quoting fabian <fab at in-no.org>:
>
>> Hi there...
>>
>> > the c90 gig was already approved, and they've already gone ahead
>> > with this stuff, so we're basically going to shaft them a bit if we
>> > say the tickets they've printed up can't be used.
>> The Collecitve wasn't aware they had their tickets already
>> printed...that is a problem
>> but we should be able to solve that.
>> The basic concern is that selling tickets in advance does advertise
>> matilda as a proper venue...
>> with this we might draw attention of jealous clubs around and Matilda
>> might be much more likely to get trouble with the taxman...
>> what was said today is that matilda as it is at the moment can't be run
>> as a proper venue and we need to reflect that in the way we do parties,
>> and in the way we invite people to do parties...
>> >
>> > The idea of interfering with setting a fixed charge is also unfair
>> > to them. They're putting up a lot of money and we're telling them
>> > that they aren't gauranteed an income on the door to cover their
>> > (for this gig, VERY high) costs.
>> nobody wants them to loose money on this...and just because there is a
>> basic understanding that no one will be turned away doesn't mean that
>> people will get in easy without paying....as I guess, most guests will
>> suppose that they have to pay anyway...so there won't be much of a
>> loss...
>> Anyway -in light of short notice and our obligation to stand for what
>> we said or didn't say to external people before - I believe we need to
>> make sure, with the money that comes in through the bar, that C90 will
>> cover their costs. I understand this as a possible line of compromise
>> with C90 for not selling tickets in advance but rather insisting
>> (firmly and polite) on the requested/suggested donation on the door.
>> > That doesn't seem fair, and would
>> > discourage me personally from putting on an event. I wouldn't want
>> > to exclude people, but just letting some people in free/on donation
>> > is unsustainable for MATILDA and for promoters, once word got
>> > around that's how we were doing it.
>> We need to get a policy fixed and that might as well disencourage more
>> expensive parties to be done in Matilda...Promoters need to be aware
>> what Matilda is and what it is not...they should come to our meetings
>> really and need to understand on what precarious grounds we are....
>> at the end of the day it is not sustainable to be not able to do
>> parties at all.
>> the basic opinion for now seems to be against pre-selling/fixed
>> rates...and for benefit/charity/donation basis...that is to say people
>> gonna get a reason why they are asked to pay in that is other then just
>> for the running of the party...then it shouldn't be difficult to raise
>> funds even if people are getting aware that we are bloddy hippies.
>> I think this policy should apply to gigs/filmnights/whatever else with
>> a cover-charge  as well....
>> and the good thing with this policy is that we can maintain towards
>> commercial clubs/the taxman that all we're doing is for benefit/DiY and
>> not for profit...this does put us into a different position if not
>> legally, then at least politically...
>> f.
>>
>>
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