[matilda] c90/ ticketing and fixed event prices

[Helen and Nick]

I think the event is costing something like £1000 to
put on. They have done 10 C90 events before and only
made a profit on one of them.

They are obviously doing this because they have an
anormous amount of passion for it.

The turnouts they get have been between 50 - 150
people.

Alternatively C90 could just start turning up to
meetings and do the event on their own as "people
involved with Matilda".

N


--- cuthbert at riseup.net wrote:

> >From what i gathered when i asked about the C90
> event a few weeks ago i
> was led to beleive that the event would finish
> around 2 o clock (or even
> earlier).  In this case it would be more like a gig
> as oppose to a party. 
> If this is the case then there shouldnt be so many
> problems as by the time
> the police turn up people will be starting to leave.
> 
> On the issue of how the money is going to be split,
> if they are wanting a
> 'suggested donation' of £5 and 100 people turn up
> then i think that is
> alot of money and if they have costs above that then
> we shouldnt feel
> guilty declining their reqest for some of the bar
> money.
> 
> from
> cuthbert
> 
> 
> > Allo,
> >
> > 1. Fabian - you said last night that it's going to
> be no more than 100-150
> > people? Is that definitely right?
> >
> > Can someone actually confirm this with C90?  Given
> that they're selling
> > tickets,
> > they will know the numbers they've sold and how
> many they have left. It
> > should
> > be limited to a small number.
> >
> > One of the reasons we thought it was OK last night
> to let it carry on was
> > due to
> > it being quite small, but it has the smell of an
> assumption to me!  We
> > need to
> > know.
> >
> > 2. On letting them down.  I couldn't blame them if
> we hadn't made clear
> > from the
> > start how MATILDA worked.  But from what I heard
> last night, this night
> > doesn't
> > sound like the kind of thing we'd agreed we
> wanted?  It sounds a lot like
> > a
> > standard night - we're the owners (except that
> we're getting no money for
> > it!
> > C90 also want £100 from the bar, I hear...) and
> C90 are the consumers.
> >
> > It is too late to do much about it now - except to
> check that the numbers
> > are as
> > Fabian says, and that C90 know that we want them
> limited to that. (If
> > that's
> > correct - that's the sense I got from the meeting
> last night.) Which, in
> > this
> > case, they can control because they're selling
> tickets. No nasty
> > surprises.
> >
> > Das me
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Quoting fabian <fab at in-no.org>:
> >
> >> Hi there...
> >>
> >> > the c90 gig was already approved, and they've
> already gone ahead
> >> > with this stuff, so we're basically going to
> shaft them a bit if we
> >> > say the tickets they've printed up can't be
> used.
> >> The Collecitve wasn't aware they had their
> tickets already
> >> printed...that is a problem
> >> but we should be able to solve that.
> >> The basic concern is that selling tickets in
> advance does advertise
> >> matilda as a proper venue...
> >> with this we might draw attention of jealous
> clubs around and Matilda
> >> might be much more likely to get trouble with the
> taxman...
> >> what was said today is that matilda as it is at
> the moment can't be run
> >> as a proper venue and we need to reflect that in
> the way we do parties,
> >> and in the way we invite people to do parties...
> >> >
> >> > The idea of interfering with setting a fixed
> charge is also unfair
> >> > to them. They're putting up a lot of money and
> we're telling them
> >> > that they aren't gauranteed an income on the
> door to cover their
> >> > (for this gig, VERY high) costs.
> >> nobody wants them to loose money on this...and
> just because there is a
> >> basic understanding that no one will be turned
> away doesn't mean that
> >> people will get in easy without paying....as I
> guess, most guests will
> >> suppose that they have to pay anyway...so there
> won't be much of a
> >> loss...
> >> Anyway -in light of short notice and our
> obligation to stand for what
> >> we said or didn't say to external people before -
> I believe we need to
> >> make sure, with the money that comes in through
> the bar, that C90 will
> >> cover their costs. I understand this as a
> possible line of compromise
> >> with C90 for not selling tickets in advance but
> rather insisting
> >> (firmly and polite) on the requested/suggested
> donation on the door.
> >> > That doesn't seem fair, and would
> >> > discourage me personally from putting on an
> event. I wouldn't want
> >> > to exclude people, but just letting some people
> in free/on donation
> >> > is unsustainable for MATILDA and for promoters,
> once word got
> >> > around that's how we were doing it.
> >> We need to get a policy fixed and that might as
> well disencourage more
> >> expensive parties to be done in
> Matilda...Promoters need to be aware
> >> what Matilda is and what it is not...they should
> come to our meetings
> >> really and need to understand on what precarious
> grounds we are....
> >> at the end of the day it is not sustainable to be
> not able to do
> >> parties at all.
> >> the basic opinion for now seems to be against
> pre-selling/fixed
> >> rates...and for benefit/charity/donation
> basis...that is to say people
> >> gonna get a reason why they are asked to pay in
> that is other then just
> >> for the running of the party...then it shouldn't
> be difficult to raise
> >> funds even if people are getting aware that we
> are bloddy hippies.
> >> I think this policy should apply to
> gigs/filmnights/whatever else with
> >> a cover-charge  as well....
> >> and the good thing with this policy is that we
> can maintain towards
> >> commercial clubs/the taxman that all we're doing
> is for benefit/DiY and
> >> not for profit...this does put us into a
> different position if not
> >> legally, then at least politically...
> >> f.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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