[matilda] addressing complaints

[Dan]

No, you're right - we must count ourselves in the 'hangers on', rather 
than being part of the 'us' you mention.

So, yes, totally ludicrous we should get the idea that there are people 
on the 'inside'...!

p.s. Have you ever thought of a career in motivational speaking?

So, yeah, maybe I'll have a go at one of those film n curry nights 
again. Cheers for the positive feedback.

love

Dan


cuthbert at riseup.net wrote:
> We already have an announcement e-list telling "hangers on" what is
> happening.
> 
> If, as i suspect, you want to be a part of the day-to-day decision making
> then in that case you need to come down to matilda and i dont think that
> it is unreasonable for us to ask that of people (we have workdays from 12
> every thursday if anyone is interested).  I think that it is ludicrus for
> people to think that there are people on the "inside" stopping or
> discouraging others on the "outside" from doing stuff in matilda if the
> "outsiders" dont even know what you want to do.  To my knowledge of the
> things that the matilda collective has not approved they broadly fit into
> two categories:
> parties
> activities with an element of private financial gain
> i rekon over 90% of proposals get approved by the matilda collective
> 
> Further i have actively phoned dan to try to get him along to a cafe`
> collective meeting so that we can sort out the library proposal, either
> way we are getting on with building the cafe`.  I am always inviting
> people down to matilda, in fact when i saw chris at corp not so long ago i
> believe that i invited him down to matilda!
> 
> Although, please inform us of what additional services you require from
> the matilda collective before you are willing to "dip your toes in"(!)
> 
> from
> cuthbert
> 
> P.S.I think i am going to stop writing emails for a while before my head
> explodes.
> 
> 
> 
>>But, said I, what about people like myself who are interested in keeping
>>an eye on what is happening, but are not yet convinced that one of the
>>existing collectives is something I want to be more involved with, and
>>don't have any specific vision of what I want from Matilda that I might
>>create my own collective. Surely it would be helpful if hangers on like
>>myself were able to keep tabs on what we could tip our toes into, as it
>>were?
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>PS. Admittedly, the volume of email is already high enough that I only
>>scan most things (and sometimes only the titles) so I do sympathise with
>>email fatigue as an argument.
>>
>>cuthbert at riseup.net wrote:
>>
>>>I think one the main reasons that i have not sent as many emails to the
>>>list  is because i dont have the time and because checking emails then
>>>starts taking over and almost becomes a higher priority than actually
>>>going down to matilda and doing stuff.  In fact not sending emails has
>>>given me one less thing to worry about.
>>>
>>>The monday meetings by the way are every other monday.
>>>
>>>For the people that arent in a collective ask yourselves what do you
>>>want
>>>to do at matilda and then ask if there is a collective that already does
>>>that type of thing, if there is great join them, if there isnt start a
>>>new
>>>collective, it isnt difficult.
>>>
>>>---
>>>as a side note:
>>>
>>>The other day a member of the cafe` collective found non-veagan skipped
>>>food left out in the veagan kitchen and they also found that someone had
>>>put an item from one of the women's day workshops on top of one of our
>>>cakes.  It is no laughing matter as when we get our hands on that person
>>>they will forever regret messing with our cakes!
>>>
>>>from
>>>cuthbert (a member of three seperate collectives and counting!)
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hia
>>>>
>>>>Was there a meeting? Was it cancelled?
>>>>
>>>>One reason why there's only a few people, then, might be that those of
>>>>you who are valiantly doing stuff don't let anyone else know what's
>>>>happening.  It hasn't really been made clear what Monday meetings are /
>>>>who they're supposed to be for.
>>>>
>>>>Having gone to one Monday meeting, it was certainly nothing like what
>>>>I'd been told they now were - collective spokespeople speaking.  It was
>>>>a normal Monday meeting, with plenty of new people making proposals -
>>>>as
>>>>they'd always been. So where are the dates?
>>>>
>>>>No-one discusses anything here on-list - for a reason I've yet to
>>>>fathom.  I mean, there's dysfunctional lists where people spend all
>>>>their time trolling or wibbling about bugger all, but this is the other
>>>>extreme. (The notable exeptions being Nick, who continues to do
>>>>brilliant Events e-mails, and a great write-up from Kathleen...)
>>>>
>>>>For those of us, like me, still not part of any collective, but who
>>>>might sometimes like to get involved (e.g. I wouldn't mind putting on
>>>>another film n curry night again at some point soon) it all seems very
>>>>distant, silent and closed.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, how things seem from the outside is usually wrong.  So,
>>>>after
>>>>this little rant, a constructive e-mail coming...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>worldwarfree at riseup.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Therefore I must tell you, first of all, what Anarchism is not.
>>>>>
>>>>>     It is not bombs, disorder, or chaos.
>>>>>     It is not robbery and murder.
>>>>>     It is not a war of each against all.
>>>>>     It is not a return to barbarism or to the wild state of man.
>>>>>     Anarchism is the very opposite of all that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anarchism means that you should be free; that no one should enslave
>>>>>you,
>>>>>boss you, rob you, or impose upon you.
>>>>>
>>>>>It means that you should be free to do the things you want to do; and
>>>>>that
>>>>>you should not be compelled to do what you don't want to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>It means that you should have a chance to choose the kind of a life
>>>>>you
>>>>>want to live, and live it without anybody interfering.
>>>>>
>>>>>It means that the next fellow should have the same freedom as you,
>>>>>that
>>>>>every one should have the same rights and liberties.
>>>>>
>>>>>>From What Is Communist Anarchism? Alexander Berkman.. This was the
>>>>>first
>>>>>book i read on Anarchism so when AMP attacks the M gallery
>>>>>collective..
>>>>>Whomever fucked up the food last week with the salt they are being the
>>>>>very opposite to my understanding of Anarchism and of course this is
>>>>>just
>>>>>my own view point..
>>>>>
>>>>>Almost a year on Matilda is not working and i'd guess we need to look
>>>>>at
>>>>>why The Gig collective can blow of the roof at Matilda as they did on
>>>>>Monday why The M gallery collective find themselves along with the Gig
>>>>>collective being the only real Success at Matilda..
>>>>>
>>>>>Why there is so much infighting people being NEGATIVE to others as has
>>>>>happened to myself time again..
>>>>>
>>>>>I cooked food last Thursday only to find ungrateful moron(s) pouring
>>>>>salt
>>>>>in the food to being very Negative to me on Friday are these people
>>>>>expecting me to react?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are the actions of others making Matilda not work?
>>>>>
>>>>>3 of the computers in the HackLab are not working because on Saturday
>>>>>someone decided to take out some of the power supply dispite it being
>>>>>requested for people not to do this and explained why this is crapp..
>>>>>
>>>>>Here we have the very real opportunity to not only Impact upon
>>>>>Sheffield
>>>>>but introduce others to our thoughts and ideas a large amount of
>>>>>people
>>>>>have passed through Matilda by the Gig Collective and as was said at
>>>>>the
>>>>>last meeting a wasted opertunity..
>>>>>
>>>>>There seems for myself to be much pontification and not action and
>>>>>again
>>>>>the only people i see Making this space work are The Gig collective
>>>>>and
>>>>>The M gallery collective.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Monday a member of The M gallery collective come in moved some
>>>>>rubbish
>>>>>so the gig collective and others did not end up doing this task.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sunday R come in and repared a window that had fallen out..
>>>>>
>>>>>Agian i find myself asking why is there only a few commited people
>>>>>while
>>>>>others simply just pontificate?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alright the meeting on Monday will not happen however if there is
>>>>>common
>>>>>agrement it should happen the following week.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes we have been here before but again we need to talk about what is
>>>>>Matilda, where are we going why have we let one person simply walk off
>>>>>with 400 pounds and the continued actions of others who i feel are
>>>>>just
>>>>>fucking up Matilda BY THEIR ACTIONS..
>>>>>
>>>>>0742
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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