[matilda] Re: Critique of capitalism..Proposal for workshop(s)

[Chris Malins]

So does all this make Matilda a proletarian or lumpenproletarian 
initiative, or a petty bourgeois ghetto? I'm so confused.

Indeed, 0742, do you self-define within the proletariat or the 
lumpenproletariat... I assume not the bourgeois.

Lovingly (with a hint of mischief),

Chris ;-)

worldwarfree at riseup.net wrote:
> Dan O wrote..
> 0742: Sadly, copying and pasting huge chunks of text from wikipedia
> doesn't count as an argument - and it certainly doesn't mean that you've
> demonstrated to anyone that you understand anything except CRTL+C /
> CTRL+V.  But thanks for the link.
> 
> 0742
> Well wrong again i use the mouse for c/p..
> 
> Now as said at the end if you desire a constructive debate on what i
> posted then welcome if you desire to continue to be negative then i feel
> you have nothing to offer myself or that of Matilda as you can not see
> past your own intolerance towards me as a human that intolerance will no
> doubt come to the suffice in other interactions you have with people..
> 
> Dan O wrote
> I've been thinking about doing some sessions on how we go about actually
> changing the world.
> 
> 0742
> This comes about when we change our interactions with each other and as
> said i had no pleasure in becoming negative with yourself however you was
> extracting the piss from myself and for this meson alone i had to make a
> stand it was not in any circumstance an attack upon the very real and
> continued good work of yourself..
> 
> Dan O wrote..
> A lot of current thinking about social change is based on the fact that
> lefty thinkers (y'know, those useful bookish types who dreamed up class
> in the first place) had to come up with new ideas for how revolution
> could come about, now that the working class as a united force was no
> more. (An arguable point...)
> 
> 0742
> The revolution will not happen it is a slow and sometimes painful
> evolution of change and if we look at class in the structure of the modern
> world then agreed it has changed.
> 
> If we look at class through demographics then it has not changed but
> poverty and division if anything has increased not decreased just the
> standard of livening for those in the first world be the uk has changed so
> has what people expect changed by default.
> 
> Dan O wrote..
> One answer: we don't need collectivism - all we need is a
> self-organized, world-wide movement of 'one no n many yeses': the social
> justice mirror of the decentralized economic system ayer average leftie
> wants rid of.
> 
> But does that mean that all us autonomistas are just leftie variants of
> Thatcher's children? In rejecting collective action in favour of
> 'swarming', have we capitulated?  Do we need to bring class and class
> power back in?  Is this, in fact, class war?
> 
> 0742
> No we do not we need to understand the nature of class how class has
> changed how we as humans interact with each other how we interact with the
> earth and look towards more better ways of change than continued blaime.
> 
> I have no doubt the domesticated human will see its own Armageddon if we
> do not look towards bater ways of working with each other and our earth
> our mother..
> 
> 0742
> 
> 
> 
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