[noborders-brum] joe howell

Sat Dec 16 20:47:12 UTC 2006

Who the Fuck is Joe Howell and why is he these lists??

"We are not talking about psychopaths. We are talking about everyday
men."

Yeh i guess you're right, guilty until proven inoccent and all that.

Reclaim The Night are a bunch of sexist pigs.FUCK YOU! "

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>>From: "joe howell" <helluvafool2001 at hotmail.com>
>>To: rosie_lara_day at hotmail.com
>>Subject: RE: [scbrum] RE: [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night Women's 
>>march- Ipswich
>>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:31:00 +0000
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>>"We are not talking about psychopaths. We are talking about everyday men."
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>>Yeh i guess you're right, guilty until proven inoccent and all that.
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>>Reclaim The Night are a bunch of sexist pigs.FUCK YOU!
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>>From:  "rosie day" <rosie_lara_day at hotmail.com>
>>To:  helluvafool2001 at hotmail.com
>>CC:  imc-birmingham at lists.indymedia.org, scbrum at lists.riseup.net
>>Subject:  RE: [scbrum] RE: [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night Women's 
>>march- Ipswich
>>Date:  Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:39:56 +0000
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>> >"We are protesting against the power of male sexual violence, RTN
>> >has always been about male sexual violence, therefore you are
>> >talking about men. If you invite men how do you know they are not
>> >sexually violent... perpetrators always deny they have done it.
>> >Child sexual assault does not happen by men from Mars...very
>> >ordinary, accountable, everyday men do it. No-one addresses
>> >this.They are unidentifiable ... The Yorkshire Ripper appeared to be
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>> >a happily married man with a wife and children. We are not talking
>> >about psychopaths. We are not talking
>> >about psychopaths. We are talking about everyday men>
>> >I am not saying that we should discriminate. But can you not see the
>> >issue here?  Women are going to stand , march and show their
>> >solidarity for awful events that have happened in Ipswich to WOMEN
>> >not men.  Reclaim the night has always been a women only event, its
>> >only for women because its an empowering thing to do - to feel safe
>> >in the street especially at night. I know a lot of men that respect
>> >this and say it would not be there place to attend.
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>> >Lets not forget!
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>> >What has given rise to this demonstration is the sexual violent
>> >murders of 5 women not men and if you look at instances of people
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>> >who are murdered in such a way you'll find that its very rare that
>> >men are the victims but its also to my knowledge 100% of the time
>> >men who are the perpeptrators of such crimes. It is women in ipswich
>> >who fear for their lives not men no matter HOW vulnerable they may
>> >be.
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>> >If men want to show their soliadrity with women , respect that women
>> >are orgainsing this event for other women.
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>> >>From: "joe howell" <helluvafool2001 at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: rosie_lara_day at hotmail.com
>> >>Subject: RE: [scbrum] RE: [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night
>> >>Women's march- Ipswich
>> >>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:47:42 +0000
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>> >>Seeing as i havn't known every man and woman that ever lived I
>> >>can't comment on that.
>>However I do know and know of a lot of
>> >>strong women, and alot of vulnerable men, but that wasn't my point.
>> >>My point was that if a person with male genitalia also objects to
>> >>the fact that the streets are supposedly unsafe for women at night,
>> >>then why can't they march too? Why only women?
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>> >>From: "rosie day" <rosie_lara_day at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: helluvafool2001 at hotmail.com, scbrum at lists.riseup.net
>> >>Subject: RE: [scbrum] RE: [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night
>> >>Women's march- Ipswich
>> >>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:20:34 +0000
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>> >>Since when have men been more vulnerable than women?
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>> >>RTN has ALWAYS been women only so why call this march reclaim the
>> >>night , its
>>misleading. - its taking the whole idea away from RTN.
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>> >>From: "joe howell" <helluvafool2001 at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: rosie_lara_day at hotmail.com
>> >>Subject: RE: [scbrum] RE: [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night
>> >>Women's march- Ipswich
>> >>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:22:41 +0000
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>> >>No, you're wrong. Why should people be discriminated against just
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>> >>From: "rosie day" <rosie_lara_day at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: noidea at riseup.net
>> >>CC: noborders-brum at lists.aktivix.org, ,
>> >>socialcentrenetwork at lists.riseup.net,
>> >>imc-birmingham at lists.indymedia.org
>> >>Subject: [scbrum]
>>RE: [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night Women's
>> >>march- Ipswich
>> >>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:18:41 +0000
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>> >>Am i right in saying it is women only? Or at least should be.
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>> >>From:  noidea at riseup.net
>> >>To:  Subject:  [noborders-brum] Reclaim the Night Women's march-
>> >>Ipswich
>> >>Date:  Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:16:03 -0800 (PST)
>> >> >Off topic post but very relevant, please forward to other
>> >>lists...
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>> >> >There is a potential call out for a Reclaim the Night women's
>> >>march in
>> >> >Ipswich this saturday or next. For those who don't know - Reclaim
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>> >> >Night marches started with a group of women in Leeds in the
>> >>1970's who
>> >> >were outraged by the chief of police saying that all women should
>> >>stay in
>> >> >doors at the time of a Sutcliffe murder. Why are the streets seen
>> >>as no-go
>> >> >areas for women at night?
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>> >> >Women will be going to Ipswich, if there are sufficient numbers
>> >>we will
>> >> >hire a bus, please email the list if u are interested and spread
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>> >>word!
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>> >> >Also we can have one in Solidarity in Birmingham for women who
>> >>cannot make
>> >> >it to Ipswich.
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>> >> >More details to follow.
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