[noborders-brum] phunkees post
hub13 at riseup.net
hub13 at riseup.net
Sun Oct 12 16:37:32 UTC 2008
> This list was intended to be for announcements from Noborders Birmingham.
> It's clearly not the place to rehearse these arguments again and again.
Nothing has been rehearsed. Again and again? Nonsense.
There can be no lessons from phunkee about appropriate use of this or
other lists. That I reject. Is there no depth of hypocrisy and
manipulation to which you will not sink? I have made precisely one post on
this subject, whereas you have used this list to publish a set of lies
about me in a clear, open and unashamed attempt to disrupt an emergency
anti-deportation campaign, and this is typical of your behaviour.
I have never responded to this until now, but I'm afraid if you and Mike
choose to use this list to publish lies about us, then a right to reply is
basic. You do not have a monopoly on the truth, nor can you get away with
allowing only your side of any story to be told.
We are merely being reactive, we have not sought or promoted any conflict.
> It's now very clear, that active members of this Noborders collective do
> not want to work with you and that's our prerogative.
Er, that's not under dispute. You seem to think we seek some alternative
to this. That is not or never will be the case, unless we deem it
absolutley necessary. We would not work with, or frankly turn our backs
on, either you or Mike. You have sought to work with us once over the last
year by requesting use of the banners. We have not sought to work with you
once since the latter days of the Cottage occupation some two years ago.
Where you get the notion we want to work with you from is a mystery to me.
The problem is that you have for at least two years extemporised your
perogative into an active hate campaign. This is hardly a secret, but it
must be challenged and resolved.
> Could you please respect our wishes and leave us alone to get on with the
> activism and campaigning we're committed to.
Again, the shameless hypocrisy of this man astonishes me. With regard to
ourselves, he is not interested in truth. He is interested in power.
please note that if this wasn't an activist related matter I would not be
bothering emailing like this - I would be instructing solictors to write
to you with certain demands regarding your criminal and unethical activity
towards me and V - to wit, libel and harrasment. This does not affect my
I care too much about the movement to take such obvious, if
state-involving action, ie. legal action. I am forced to take this action
instead; in other words, my selflessness is your protection.
It is certainly a bizzare situation to be put in on a No Borders list
and I trust that after all allegations have been refuted I shall never
have to do this again.
I do not propose to spend too much time providing evidence against the
straightforward lies told about me and Val by phunkee and mike. I simply
say that i refute utterly the allegations that i have been kicked out of
multiple social centres, or that we 'moved in' to the Cottage Socila
Centre. They are falsehoods and fabrications and can easily be shown up.
However, it is not for us to disprove these bizzare, fairly-tale
allegations. It is for the perpetrators of the lies to back them up with
evidence. if not, they must withdraw them.
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