[pagan-magik] Re: work niche

[steve ash]

Nice that you have found your niche, Svea. I agree
with most of what you say in general. Except about
money, it is eventually going to be abolished, along
with the notion of exchange, and replaced with a post
scarcity gift economy, a giving with no question of
recieving (though of course if everyone gives everyone
recieves). But I agree that alas we have to accept the
need for mammon and exchange for as long as we have to
suffer the existing system.

Good luck with squat.

Steve 


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> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:48:40 +0000 (GMT)
> From: steve ash <steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [pagan-magik] Work!?
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> Before I address David's point I'd like to thank
> Adrian for a very lucid responce (not sure if it got
> to the list though). Basically he pointed out that
> work can also be 'stimulating, creative, empowering
> and promote our growth', and I totally agree. I just
> wouldn't call this 'work'. For me work means
> something
> you do to overcome a resistance so it doesn't apply
> to
> the above as this is not 'work' I find I have t
> force
> myself to do, rather I have to force myself not to
> do
> more often, as its so addictive. I would call this
> positive 'work' 'productive activity' (a crap name
> but
> cant think of an alternative) and would claim we
> have
> a need for 'productive activity' as much as we do
> for
> food, shelter, sex and sociality (and conflict of
> course). Thats why we can have a voluntary society
> because people enjoy their creativity and useful
> role
> in society, its absolutely essential. But its not
> work, which remains for me a disempowering form of
> slavery performed against our own desires. Thus I
> refuse to refer to workshops as anything other than
> playshops (accept when I forget). If we can get paid
> for 'productive activity' in the current world we
> are 
> very lucky of course.
> 
> The only point I differ with Adrian on might be the
> notion of working for a company that supports
> alternative solutions (and not sabotaging it as this
> helps the system). My personal stance (ie not some
> universal truth) is not to be involved in reformist
> groups or charities as I see these as supporting the
> system too (especially charities, which Oscar Wilde
> in
> the Soul of Man Under Socialism, one of my 'bibles',
> correctly identified as proping up a degenerate
> system
> rather than pulling it down). I'm all for the
> reduction of the existing order to rubble and the
> creation of totally different alternatives to
> replace
> it with. Though I agree its wrong to sabotage
> reformist work. And of course we all have to survive
> in hell somehow! :)
> 
> Lilith's insights into the work moloch and
> patriarchy
> were also inspiring for me.
> 
> David's post was brilliant, and in someways echoes
> what I said about productive activity being
> necessary.
> Though I repeat that only some of us are lucky
> enough
> to be able to do this. 
> 
> As for the benefit thing I agree the Welfare State
> enslaves people but I wouldn't be stupid enough to
> think I was free on it. Freedom is impossible within
> the current system and everything we do supports it
> in
> one way or another. But I do tend to see it as a
> form
> of robbery through fraud (most of my 20 years on the
> dole were spent with my feet up not looking for
> work,
> when not addicted to 'productive activity' that
> prevented me from taking up a job), and perhaps a
> movement towards accelerating the economic collapse
> of
> the system. If it wasn't for this I would have to
> take
> up guerilla warfare or armed robbery like the
> anarchist Bonnot Gang (the only true anarchists in
> my
> view). A safer option might be to 'work' within the
> system but to energize its internal contradictions
> and
> accelerate its collapse. My suggested replacement
> 'system' being not within the system, but outside it
> (as much as is possible) in alternative communities
> and lifestyles.
> 
> As for technicians, I agree, I'm no primitivist, I
> want hi tech (without heavy industry), though the
> best
> technicians I know are on the dole and engaged in
> hacking and other disruptive activities and the
> worst
> technicians I know are employed as technicians :)
> 
> Finally none of these remarks are intended to be
> criticisms of anyones life choices and should be
> taken
> as purely abstract theory triggered by remarks on
> the
> list.  
> 
> Steve (Nyalahotep)
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:56:25 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "Steve \(Dionysian Underground\)"
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> Subject: [pagan-magik] Radio Interview and Dionysian
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> I've been busy with some Dionysian propaganda of
> late,
> however I've also been able to give the PMA group a
> plug as part of this. 
> 
> The first thing was another radio interview for
> Ramparts radio I was asked to do today, this will be
> broadcast on Thursday hopefully. I was mainly asked
> about the DU and Wyrd Walks but added a little bit
> about the PMA when asked how people could get
> involved
> with this stuff.
> 
> The other thing is the Dionysian Underground website
> now online at
> http://trismegistus.org.uk/dionysianunderground.htm
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> Which also gives the PMA a name check as well as
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