[pagan-magik] meeting tonight

[Steve (Dionysian Underground)]

I thought the meeting tonight was canceled as most
couldn't make it? I've arranged something else to do
now. No one said it was definitely happening did they?

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:34:38 +0000
> From: sacha meaton <sushi at choonz.com>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] speaking out
> To: dionysian_underground at yahoo.co.uk
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> Steve I wish you well, but I am completely stumped
> by your motivation 
> for writing this kind of thing:
> 
> Steve (Dionysian Underground) wrote:
> 
> >Trouble is I feel more at home with
> >counterculturalists as 'activists' tend to give me
> the
> >creeps! :) Plus, I think we should support all
> >independent 'peoples' movements, as opposed to anti
> G8
> >movements, probably run by a bunch of leftists in
> >secret meetings ;)
> >
> whether you are just bored & wanting to incite some
> kind of argument or 
> what, i don't know...
> however i really want to say i am getting impatient
> with your continual 
> dissing of just about everything on this mail group-
> 
> If you dont identify with being an activist then
> what are you doing on 
> this pagan magickal *activist *mail group?
>  
> I really support cultural hybridity and diversity,
> and i have a real 
> problem when diversity gets marginalised so that
> only the voice of the 
> mainstream speaks loud.
> Which is part of my motivation for joining this
> group- empowering 
> resistance to a world dominated and abused by the
> few in power. Steve 
> your passion for magick and radical social change
> can be really 
> inspiring. I know you have this spirit of resistance
> in mind, but some 
> of your attacks (intentionally or not) come off as
> really authoritarian 
> and may be having the very affect of silencing many/
> Other/ voices on 
> this mail group.
> 
> I find your negativity & agression towards a lot of
> things being 
> discussed really discouraging, and is particularly
> off-putting for new 
> members. What i joined this group for was to share &
> hear a multiplicity 
> of different voices, discussing different ideas,
> rituals & actions, NOT 
> just criticisms of the world coming from a tone of
> male authoritarian 
> judgement. Nor do i really want to engage in online
> debates getting 
> embroiled in 'rational' arguments, to me this is the
> realm of  political 
> oppression. I do however want to speak up (and
> hopefully encourage 
> others sitting in silence) to give voice to all
> kinds of views with out 
> the fear of being shouted down by authoritative
> judgements....
> 
> And Steve i have to say, what you wrote really
> depresses me because i 
> personally believe the G8 is something PMA should
> really be preparing 
> for actively and magickally (although of course not
> everyone will be 
> fully into it & thats fine) but with the dissent
> meeting that was on 
> yesterday we could have actively been promoting it
> on this Magickal 
> ACTIVIST group instead of sending out emails
> discouraging activism. I 
> think saying activist meetings are held by 'a bunch
> of leftists in 
> secret' is just such bullshit Steve- yesterdays anti
> G8 meeting was 
> *open to the public and not at all in secret*- why
> you feel the need for 
> making such harsh judgements alludes me....
> 
> i dont like having to post this kind of email, but i
> really felt i 
> needed to speak up
> 
> calling out for the powers of transformation
> 
> Sacha
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:49:32 +0000
> From: sacha meaton <sushi at choonz.com>
> Subject: Re: [pagan-magik] meeting tomorrow
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> ps. hopefully i'll see you all at the meeting RFH
> tomorrow 7.30/8pm for 
> drumming up some inspiration
> 
> sacha
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