[Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff
FEMINISTCHILDREARING at riseup.net
FEMINISTCHILDREARING at riseup.net
Sat Jun 20 10:50:34 BST 2009
hey, hope caic goes well, and also sorry but i cant come to meeting monday
btw.
i agree with gail- think its a great idea/basis to start from with the
billygoats gruff (so thanks to your mate, emel), but reckon if we all put
our heads together we can subvert the story in a much more educational
way: definately the 'hitler' bit and the 'suicide bomber' bit needs work.
i'd even say that they are irrelevant to the immigration/no borders story,
and are different issues entirely?
i'll get out a copy of the story and have a read, hope to make the meeting
after this one
xx
> I think the basic idea of the play is a good one, but I am not happy with
> it being Hitler who acts as the immigration official. Lots of reasons, but
> here are some: it suggests that only truly evil fascists behave like this,
> whereas we know that totally 'average' people get drawn into behaving like
> this; I doubt very young people will know who Hitler is, and I don't think
> this is a good way of teaching them; in the radical Jewish education
> project I was part of, we had endless discussions about what age to teach
> our kids about the Holocaust, and we came to the conclusion the answer was
> 'relatively old'; it trivialises the enormity of the crimes Hitler
> perpetrated.
>
> I'm so glad this whole radical childcare project is taking off so
> energetically.
>
> All the best, Gail
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: emel kahraman
> To: jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk ; radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:43 PM
> Subject: [Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff
>
>
> hey everyone,
>
> when jon sent the email about the campaign against immigration
> gathering i remembered puppet play (an adaptation of three billy
> goats gruff) a friend from norway mentioned, where goats are the
> migrants and troll the immigration control and asked him if he can
> send me a script of some sort to see if we can use it on saturday
>
> he sent the story only half an hour ago... so not much time to get
> ready for it properly, but i still think its worthwhile doing it,
> so what if we try to form a kids collective who can work on it and
> maybe interested adults, and stage it at another gathering, if you
> are up for it maybe whoever is gonna be there spread the word on
> saturday, maybe put a notice up ext
>
>
> maybe the project can evolve into forming a group meeting up
> regularly to discuss related topics and make stuff and then stage
> it
>
> just realized if it sounds too much of a project to advertise on
> saturday and ppl would like to talk about it more in detail before
> going for it thats totally fine coz i only though about it as im
> writing now
>
> here is the summery from my friends email:
>
>
> ok,
>
> so, hitler tells the story, and says that the first forigner
> smells like "tea and biscuits"
> the troll asks "who is stepping on my bridge", and after the
> response from the english goat says "the scent is known and the
> color is dear, come in to my country and make your living here"
>
> so the same also happens to the dutch goat which hitler says
> smells like "green grass"
>
> then the pakistani goat comes which hitler says smells like kebab.
> the goat asks to cross the border but the troll thinks "this
> smells like kebab & curry, I only want [insert norwegian
> traditional dishes/stuff here]"
>
> then they fight and it ends with the pakistani goat lifting his
> wool to reveal that he's strapped with dynamite, and he blows
> himself and the troll to pieces -emel here well im not sure about
> blowing the poor goat, maybe the bridge and the troll :)-so that
> his family busload of goats can get over the bridge.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk
> <jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> From: jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk
> <jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [Radical_childcare] LARC update
> To: radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:58 AM
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I got the following email today from a guy at LARC so it
> looks pretty positive in terms of getting a toybox there
> and using some space (probably in the basement) to store
> creche stuff.
>
> Next creche is 20th June at SOAS for the Campaign Against
> Immigration Controls gathering. I'll be organising it and
> any volunteers would be gratefully received! Maybe we
> could use it as a chance to start to develop some
> activities for kids that relate to our radical politics -
> any ideas on immigration related games or activities???
>
> Take care
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> That sounds like a great idea. I'll just run it part the
> email list and
> get back to you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
> markb at gn.apc.org
>
> > Message:
> >
> > Name: Jon Waters
> > Email Address: jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk
> > Subject: Radical Childcare Group
> > Message: Hi,
> >
> > I'm a member of the newly formed radical childcare group
> (currently
> > without a proper name) and am writing to ask about
> storage space at LARC.
> > We'd really like to provide LARC with a small box of
> communal toys that
> > could be accessed by any groups using the space who have
> children with
> > them.
> >
> > We's also like to use a small amount of storage space in
> the basement to
> > store resources for the childcare that we provide to
> various groups and
> > events. In the past members of the group have organised
> childcare for
> > Feminist Fightback conferences and meetings, helped
> create a kidspace on
> > Raven's Ait when it was squatted during the G20 and are
> organising a
> > creche later this month for a campaign Against
> Immigration Controls
> > gathering at SOAS.
> >
> > Please could you get back to me about these two ideas
> and let me know if I
> > need to submit a more formal proposal or bring it to a
> LARC meeting or
> > what.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Jon
>
>
>
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