[Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff
emel kahraman
emel_kah at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 22 09:55:48 BST 2009
hey there,
i agree with all the comments, i forgot to mention that they didnt stage it as a kids play so it will definitely needs to be looked at it again
here is a link to the original version:
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0122e.html
see you at the next meeting,
e
--- On Sat, 6/20/09, FEMINISTCHILDREARING at riseup.net <FEMINISTCHILDREARING at riseup.net> wrote:
From: FEMINISTCHILDREARING at riseup.net <FEMINISTCHILDREARING at riseup.net>
Subject: Re: [Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff
To: radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:52 PM
that message was from gemma btw (sorry forgot this is a shared email)
> hey, hope caic goes well, and also sorry but i cant come to meeting monday
> btw.
>
> i agree with gail- think its a great idea/basis to start from with the
> billygoats gruff (so thanks to your mate, emel), but reckon if we all put
> our heads together we can subvert the story in a much more educational
> way: definately the 'hitler' bit and the 'suicide bomber' bit needs work.
> i'd even say that they are irrelevant to the immigration/no borders story,
> and are different issues entirely?
> i'll get out a copy of the story and have a read, hope to make the meeting
> after this one
> xx
>
>> I think the basic idea of the play is a good one, but I am not happy
>> with
>> it being Hitler who acts as the immigration official. Lots of reasons,
>> but
>> here are some: it suggests that only truly evil fascists behave like
>> this,
>> whereas we know that totally 'average' people get drawn into behaving
>> like
>> this; I doubt very young people will know who Hitler is, and I don't
>> think
>> this is a good way of teaching them; in the radical Jewish education
>> project I was part of, we had endless discussions about what age to
>> teach
>> our kids about the Holocaust, and we came to the conclusion the answer
>> was
>> 'relatively old'; it trivialises the enormity of the crimes Hitler
>> perpetrated.
>>
>> I'm so glad this whole radical childcare project is taking off so
>> energetically.
>>
>> All the best, Gail
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: emel kahraman
>> To: jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk ; radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:43 PM
>> Subject: [Radical_childcare] CAIC and three billy goats gruff
>>
>>
>> hey everyone,
>>
>> when jon sent the email about the campaign against immigration
>> gathering i remembered puppet play (an adaptation of three billy
>> goats gruff) a friend from norway mentioned, where goats are the
>> migrants and troll the immigration control and asked him if he can
>> send me a script of some sort to see if we can use it on saturday
>>
>> he sent the story only half an hour ago... so not much time to
>> get
>> ready for it properly, but i still think its worthwhile doing it,
>> so what if we try to form a kids collective who can work on it and
>> maybe interested adults, and stage it at another gathering, if you
>> are up for it maybe whoever is gonna be there spread the word on
>> saturday, maybe put a notice up ext
>>
>>
>> maybe the project can evolve into forming a group meeting up
>> regularly to discuss related topics and make stuff and then stage
>> it
>>
>> just realized if it sounds too much of a project to advertise on
>> saturday and ppl would like to talk about it more in detail before
>> going for it thats totally fine coz i only though about it as im
>> writing now
>>
>> here is the summery from my friends email:
>>
>>
>> ok,
>>
>> so, hitler tells the story, and says that the first forigner
>> smells like "tea and biscuits"
>> the troll asks "who is stepping on my bridge", and after the
>> response from the english goat says "the scent is known and the
>> color is dear, come in to my country and make your living here"
>>
>> so the same also happens to the dutch goat which hitler says
>> smells like "green grass"
>>
>> then the pakistani goat comes which hitler says smells like
>> kebab.
>> the goat asks to cross the border but the troll thinks "this
>> smells like kebab & curry, I only want [insert norwegian
>> traditional dishes/stuff here]"
>>
>> then they fight and it ends with the pakistani goat lifting his
>> wool to reveal that he's strapped with dynamite, and he blows
>> himself and the troll to pieces -emel here well im not sure about
>> blowing the poor goat, maybe the bridge and the troll :)-so that
>> his family busload of goats can get over the bridge.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk
>> <jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk
>> <jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: [Radical_childcare] LARC update
>> To: radical_childcare at lists.aktivix.org
>> Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:58 AM
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I got the following email today from a guy at LARC so it
>> looks pretty positive in terms of getting a toybox there
>> and using some space (probably in the basement) to store
>> creche stuff.
>>
>> Next creche is 20th June at SOAS for the Campaign
>> Against
>> Immigration Controls gathering. I'll be organising it and
>> any volunteers would be gratefully received! Maybe we
>> could use it as a chance to start to develop some
>> activities for kids that relate to our radical politics -
>> any ideas on immigration related games or activities???
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> That sounds like a great idea. I'll just run it part the
>> email list and
>> get back to you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>> markb at gn.apc.org
>>
>> > Message:
>> >
>> > Name: Jon Waters
>> > Email Address: jonathan_waters7 at yahoo.co.uk
>> > Subject: Radical Childcare Group
>> > Message: Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm a member of the newly formed radical childcare
>> group
>> (currently
>> > without a proper name) and am writing to ask about
>> storage space at LARC.
>> > We'd really like to provide LARC with a small box of
>> communal toys that
>> > could be accessed by any groups using the space who
>> have
>> children with
>> > them.
>> >
>> > We's also like to use a small amount of storage space
>> in
>> the basement to
>> > store resources for the childcare that we provide to
>> various groups and
>> > events. In the past members of the group have
>> organised
>> childcare for
>> > Feminist Fightback conferences and meetings, helped
>> create a kidspace on
>> > Raven's Ait when it was squatted during the G20 and
>> are
>> organising a
>> > creche later this month for a campaign Against
>> Immigration Controls
>> > gathering at SOAS.
>> >
>> > Please could you get back to me about these two ideas
>> and let me know if I
>> > need to submit a more formal proposal or bring it to a
>> LARC meeting or
>> > what.
>> >
>> > Many thanks
>> >
>> > Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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